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1. Christopher Lemmer Webber (cwebber@octodon.social)'s status on Monday, 20-Aug-2018 07:16:34 JST Christopher Lemmer Webber

   it frustrates me that I believe that the way we're handling identity and social relationships on the current iteration of the fediverse is Very Wrong, but it's just a lot of talk from me until I can demo with real code I guess

   I hope we don't get locked into dangerous antipatterns before it's too late to shift the direction of the network

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   • Christopher Lemmer Webber (cwebber@octodon.social)'s status on Monday, 20-Aug-2018 07:27:34 JST Christopher Lemmer Webber

     Okay, lots of posts about "could you elaborate" so let me attempt.

     What would we like?
     - Strong resilience to abuse, spam, dogpiling
     - Networks which focus on *deeper* relationships with your community rather than *popularity*... in depth vs breadth, depth matters more (this ain't a high school popularity contest)
     - support for anonymnity and multiple identities without increased support for abuse, spam, dogpiling

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   • Christopher Lemmer Webber (cwebber@octodon.social)'s status on Monday, 20-Aug-2018 08:02:48 JST Christopher Lemmer Webber

     Okay anyway I said a lot of things here... but here's the general idea: current federation rollout assumes:

     - there's one you
     - there's one path to get to you
     - one naming authority should get to define our names
     - when it comes to breadth vs depth, popularity is more important than deep relationships

     But these assumptions comes from surveillance capitalism social networks. Reverse all of these and things get interesting.

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   • Christopher Lemmer Webber (cwebber@octodon.social)'s status on Monday, 20-Aug-2018 08:08:10 JST Christopher Lemmer Webber

     in reply to

     If you're thinking "gosh, isn't the opposite route of what several 'let's simplify activitypub' threads" have been going towards then yeah, it's in the opposite direction, because I think there's a real risk of losing a better future with making that the "standard".

     So if you wonder why ActivityPub doesn't include webfinger, it's because we left ActivityPub open to be the fediverse of the future, not just the fediverse of today.

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   • Trolli Schmittlauch ???? (schmittlauch@toot.matereal.eu)'s status on Monday, 20-Aug-2018 08:44:20 JST Trolli Schmittlauch ????

     @cwebber Can you elaborate on what you mean with

     > when it comes to breadth vs depth, popularity is more important than deep relationships
     ?

   • Trolli Schmittlauch ???? (schmittlauch@toot.matereal.eu)'s status on Monday, 20-Aug-2018 11:17:41 JST Trolli Schmittlauch ????

     @cwebber thx. I don't have any problem with cs, but it didn't come to my mind that one would try to model the depth of a human relationship with graphs.

     *mumbles* tooting about favourite flowers, so I must already be in 7 layers of friendship