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@levi @crushv @xeno @lain
not everyone loves that, no. many of us hold to our ideals because it is in our nature to do so. that is to say, that there is no desire to do otherwise. it seems like, then, that you're taking on these restrictions out of a fear of yourself, and what that self, left to its own devices, might do
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@levi @crushv @xeno @lain
i do not want to eat a jar full of candy because, as a child, i tried it. i know from experience it does not bring pleasure and that it has harmful side-effects
what is it that you are afraid to try?
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@levi @crushv @xeno @lain
i know the effects of heroin from experience as well, having seen it break a friend.
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@levi @crushv @xeno @lain
it may be "pleasurable", but it was not for me. the damage it does to others is too great.
i am not tempted to try again
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@levi @crushv @xeno @lain
the point being, here, that you have a mind of your own. study things plainly and decide for yourself, for reasons that are of yourself what you would and would not do
a fear is sourced from something not believed
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@levi @crushv @xeno @lain
it is an insult to women who contract HIV from men (and vice versa) to label aids as being "of homosexuality"
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@levi @crushv @xeno @lain
it is a disease spread through the blood, and blood contact occurs between any sex partners. it is a disease of sex (as well as a disease of needles and of tattoo parlours)
it became so prominent among homosexual males because of the frequency with which they had sex and the number of people with whom they did it.
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@levi @xeno @lain @crushv
sam hyde's goal was "getting a rise". offending people for the sake of doing so.
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@levi @crushv @xeno @lain
and here again, "redpill" is a reference to an analogy created by two trans women in reference to the introspection leading to their changing
please inspect yourself and your propaganda and come to some internal consistency before preaching
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@levi @xeno @lain @crushv
his target was not "homosexuals", but rather the culture of taking offence
that is, the growing tendency to meet "the other" with hysterics and intolerance.
you currently are taking part in that same culture of low-tolerance and offence
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@levi @xeno @lain @crushv
i would not be offended. i would be hurt, and i would take whatever possible practical measures to protect those i love
that is, of course, an ideal, and i would be very scared, making action difficult. speaking again here from experience with murder.
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@levi @xeno @lain @crushv
it is that same base instinct that leads homosexuals to prefer one another. and if following base instinct were so damaging, we would have died out as a species long ago
or, more accurately, our distant mammalian ancestors would have died out, seeing as it's a natural trait which manifests throughout mammalia
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@levi
as a species, however, we are thankfully able to bend those base instincts.
tools, like the instinctive othering of racism, were useful to a human species that existed in nomadic tribes, fending for itself against the world in order to preserve the tribe's genetics
in an interconnected society they have become counterproductive, producing needless splits and fractures, causing suffering
we can see in the examples of many still-isolated tribes that, when children grow up with these "others" having a regular place in their lives, they come to lose them, and a new, more-harmonious normal can be reached. when the homosexual couple is a long-established member of the tribe, that "revulsion" on the part of those who are different does not manifest. in the same way, growing in multi-racial households and communities, and having family or close friends of differing appearance breaks down the barrier of othering
the human brain takes on its form for decades after birth, and even after that point there is remarkable pliancy. as a species we can use this fact to actively better ourselves
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@levi
humans have no instinctive reaction to aids, it being a complex and recently-discovered concept. but yes, encouraging things that lead to suffering and death is no good. this is why a conscientious approach to sex, and better primary school education about the dangers of having it carelessly or over-often need to be taught. including to those students who are homosexual, as the dangers involved there are often glossed over and more poorly understood.
in addition, practical measures to prevent those who would knowingly transfer disease from doing so ought to be taken, along with making available tools like contraceptives and PrEP (while being sure that people understand they're not a magic bullet)
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@levi
teaching abstinence does not work. when taught to "wait until marriage, and restrict things to within a marriage", people continue regardless to have sex with others, but do so compulsively, after frustrations have built, hastily, leading to carelessness, in secret, leading to diseases spreading without people's knowledge, and ignorantly, not using available tools which could protect them (and, by extension, their spouses)
approaching this problem must be done practically if diseases are to be controlled.
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@levi
"some morons don't follow it and suffer the consequences" means it does not work
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@levi
i've yet to meet a catholic who has not had some for of extramarital sex
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@levi
to borrow your imagery from much earlier, the teaching of abstinence is like waving a jar of candy in front of someone's face, putting a sign on it saying "do not touch", and then leaving it in a conspicuous place where that person will walk past it every day for the next 40 years. and sometimes that person will be very hungry, not having eaten in a week
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@levi
having never had that candy, the pre-married person does not know what he or she likes. after marrying, often that married person is stuck with nothing but vomit-infused treacle. something that does not satisfy.
and, even in the case of "scoring delicious watermelon", it's easy to grow sick (for many) of only one flavour, and it's easy for that flavour to change as time goes on to something inedible.
this is how people behave, and any practical measures must take that behaviour into account. because otherwise it could be your wife who "slips up and eats a poisoned candy" and passes a disease on to you. or it could be a frustrated husband from another marriage who rapes your wife, thus passing the disease on to you. or it could be your daughter who needs a blood transfusion to survive and ends up getting a disease.
prevention needs to be carried out at the ecosystem scale. the suffering of the few is the suffering of the many
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