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@jeffcliff @orekix https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_100,000
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@jeffcliff there are all kinds of useful numbers that are derived from who you are as a person. your bail money, credit score, risk factor, estimated lifespan, and IQ. you cannot stop organizations from making decisions based off data, and it's not necessarily a bad thing as long as the formula used to calculate these numbers are the same for everyone.
people are not as unique as they want to think, and can be reduced down to their demographics without losing much resolution. snowflakes are all unique but the weight of snow is still a constant.
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@jeffcliff
>if you judge people based on their IQ i also think you're doing something wrong.
we already do this to prevent retarded people from being drafted into the military or put into normal classrooms. we also screen for high IQs to pick out children with high potential to join the top percentage of people who do the most valuable work.
> Human beings have history, they have emotions and are intelligent. Intelligence changes the dynamic substantially from snowflakes
and human systems do not care about any of that because it is fundamentally impossible to understand the true character of millions of people. judging people by their appearance means you have a working heuristic for evaluating who is worth engaging. the liberal west has the luxury of not having to do this all the time, but as resources and time decrease, you will end up making more and more hard decisions based off of immutable attributes and appearances. people who hold this convenient lie that men contribute to society equally will be completely unprepared when they have to choose who should live and who should starve.
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@jeffcliff jesus christ how horrifying. at least i can control my appearance to some extent.
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@orekix @jeffcliff
yes. IQ is a great metric to judge who is too retarded to move boxes of ammo around without supervision.
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@jeffcliff @orekix https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=iq+job+performance&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart
IQ is an imperfect measure of G which is strongly correlated with all kinds of other important metrics. G is the peak of what a person can be expected to do cognitively. not everyone reaches it, but having too low of a ceiling will fuck your life in a variety of ways. with low G you might manage to work a factory job, but you're going to need help filing your taxes, making long term financial decisions or avoiding scams.
i think the threshold for what can be considered retardation should be increased. there are millions of people who are barely able to hold down a job but desperately need help with anything more complicated. a lot fall into criminality and other anti-social behaviors. this should be preventable, but it will never end as long as people cry about unfairness and racism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functional_illiteracy
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@jeffcliff @orekix
> but it will never end as long as people cry about unfairness and racism.
(in the context of screening and education)
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@jeffcliff @orekix
>should the state be intelligence testing adults outside of the context of education, welfare/disability or military:
no.
>should private entities be allowed to discriminate based on the results:
absolutely necessary. failure to do this results in runaway credentialism and wealth as proxy for G, which is an even worse outcome.
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