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@Olivia yes daddy tax the bad things away. taxes are for behavior modification and social engineering, not raising revenue for the state.
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@Olivia just be honest and ban stuff. implementing and retracting a ban is way simpler than piling on more shit to the infinite list of things that are taxed because someone in 2020 decided it was a good idea at the time.
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@Olivia they could have just banned it and reduced usage by 100%.
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@shpuld @Olivia
i dont feel like being reply guy today but paper bags aren't really that much better than plastic when it comes to the environment. the tradeoff is that plastic is obviously worse if you want to reduce landfill usage (because they don't decompose) but paper is worse when it comes to emissions and energy required to process. it's not really as clear cut as PLASTIC == BAD. even recycled, the energy required to reprocess a paper bag into something useful again is a lot more than the one time energy expenditure of taking natural gas byproduct and turning it into plastic bags. people don't get how much fuckin energy recycling costs.
none of what i just said matters because policy is decided by what sounds right, and political convenience. there are a lot more impactful policies one could enact that would do a thousand times more impact without inconviniencing the plebians like stricter bilge water enforcement and fining shareholders of companies who cheat on emissions testing.
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@shpuld @Olivia
and the "why cant we do both" argument doesn't work here because political capital is a finite resource and it should not be pissed away.
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@Olivia @shpuld i've legit never seen anyone use a reusable grocery bag in my life outside of whole foods (rich ppl grocery) lol.
i use paper cuz it's easier to stack.
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@shpuld @Olivia in japan virtually everyone uses plastic bags. big chonky grocery paper bags are really rare. people reuse plastic bags as trash bin liners and stingy old folk bring them back to the grocery for a second time around.
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@Olivia @shpuld
the ones at trader joes cost $5.00 so i never bothered since i could shop there 100 times and not break even (paper bag costs $0.05)
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@shpuld @Olivia a magical land where your 7-11 mayonegg sandwich comes in a blister pack
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@shpuld @Olivia it's a cultural thing that comes from an obsession with "tamper proof" food packaging because of north korean poisoning scares in the 80s. people just expect it now.
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