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1. augustus pugin ? (augustus@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 31-Jul-2020 20:28:51 JST augustus pugin ?
   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_scientists_who_disagree_with_the_scientific_consensus_on_global_warmingdaily reminder they deleted the wiki page that was just a list of scientists who didn't agree with global warming
   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Friday, 31-Jul-2020 20:28:47 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     @lain @augustus curious about this though, and foundobvs nuance flies out the window once "public opinion" and "politics" become involved, but the counter-claims here seem pretty extreme. saying "no role", rather than "insignificant" or "negligible", and am wondering is it reactionary?, or do they have a reason for claiming the greenhouse effect is just not a thing, in which case heck is up with venus?, like know there's way more pressure at surface level, but even up at earth-equiv pressure zones it's apparently markedly more hot2020-1596194614.png2020-1596194621.png2020-1596194847.png
   • lain (lain@lain.com)'s status on Friday, 31-Jul-2020 20:28:48 JST lain

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     @augustus an actual game theory
   • augustus pugin ? (augustus@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 31-Jul-2020 20:28:49 JST augustus pugin ?

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     @lain one cool thing that gets lost on people is that a lot of narratives you hear about evolved through continuous selection process, and are not just one static thing being pushed by one group or other, you have institutions that get more budget and financing when they can prove an immediate emergency that select for sensational sounding stories which creates mass panic and puts pressure on the people who allocate more money to the people who were pushing the stories and the feedback loop just keeps growing with seemingly no limiting principle
   • lain (lain@lain.com)'s status on Friday, 31-Jul-2020 20:28:50 JST lain

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     @augustus science is self correcting just trust the government institutes
   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Friday, 31-Jul-2020 20:36:53 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;
     @lain @augustus can't comment on this further, not knowing how much .72AU vs 1AU affects things, or how back radiation differs when it's coming from lower-down gasses, but
   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Friday, 31-Jul-2020 21:02:03 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     @augustus @lain or actually, solar radiation and distance bit should just be approximately inverse-square law, right?intensity at earth is apparently 1367 watts / metre^2, so1367 * 1^2 = i_v * .72^2, or i_v = 2637w / m^2so i guess solar intensity is about doubled. comparing "average temperatures" is obviously a mess, because of seasons etc, but 75/2 == 37.5C is still pretty hot for most people? (though it's that hot here right now at 4am)then have to account for venus being a bit smaller, .9 earth's surface area. shouldn't affect much, butdunno, too stupid to take this further XX
   • augustus pugin ? (augustus@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 31-Jul-2020 21:04:25 JST augustus pugin ?

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     @shmibs @lain > The IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) has also stated that "a 'runaway greenhouse effect'—analogous to [that of] Venus—appears to have virtually no chance of being induced by anthropogenic activities."[27] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runaway_greenhouse_effectalso CO2 lags temperature, not the other way around, Lake Vostok data showed this
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   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Friday, 31-Jul-2020 21:12:31 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     @lain @augustus presumably from the series of probes russia launched into venus. i think like a few burnt up in-atmosphere while measuring and then two of them made it to the surface successfullyhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venera
   • lain (lain@lain.com)'s status on Friday, 31-Jul-2020 21:12:32 JST lain

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     @shmibs @augustus where does the 75 come from?
   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Friday, 31-Jul-2020 21:17:28 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     @lain @augustus ah, you're right, mmm; should be geothermal stuff contributing? thought venus' magnetosphere was dead, hmm
   • lain (lain@lain.com)'s status on Friday, 31-Jul-2020 21:17:29 JST lain

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     @shmibs @augustus no, i mean, is this the temperature at 50 km height in your example? if so, i don't think you can just divide by two, the zero point of the celsius scale is not the zero point of a planets temperature without sun
   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Friday, 31-Jul-2020 21:19:40 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;
     @lainseems it still has a few active volcanoes at the very least. thanks for catching on that; dumb me XX
   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Friday, 31-Jul-2020 21:21:56 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     @lain @augustus seems it still has a few active volcanoes at the very least, and ought to have the same radioactivity stuff going on as earth. thanks for catching on that; dumb me XX
   • augustus pugin ? (augustus@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 31-Jul-2020 21:34:50 JST augustus pugin ?

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     @shmibs @lain don't forget these bad boys https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arachnoid_(astrogeology)
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