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the no douchebag rule
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@shpuld @hakui @lain difficult situation- people saying "0 risk" are mostly clueless, some kinda lying- but people over-respond aversely to tiny risks even when the alternative is a greater risk- but other people get upset at patronising / lying- nuanced explanations get telephoned and simplified to "0 risk" anyways, so┐(¯-¯)┌
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@hakui @lain but the problem is there's a lot of people who have simple doubts and questions that could be answered, but they see opinions like "<ultra basic explanation of classic vaccines>, anyone who doesn't believe in this is an idiot", it just kinda strengthens the view that everyone is sheeple
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@shpuld @lain eventually it'll be centrifuged into the "i hope the idiots who didn't take the vaccine die of covid" and "i hope the idiots who took the vaccines die from side-effects" camps and i think that's fine
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@lain the popular attitude of "anyone cautious about vaccine is dumb idiot" really doesn't help any sort of conversation
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@shpuld @hakui @lain also known to cause organ damage etc, and whatever famous person just lost a limb, and old people are people tooare several mutated strains now apparently less deadly than the initial one, though, seems truebut any rate, unless something goes very wrong, introducing code for just the one protein from the virus should be less dangerous than exposure to the entire virus, and it's not entirely untested, so, if there is a risk, it should be smaller
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@hakui @shmibs @lain flooding hospitals has been and still is the main problem, when people don't get regular care because hospitals are full of pneumonia cases, it hurts a lot of people
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@shmibs @shpuld @lain >when the alternative is a greater riskmaybe that was true in march, but now that it's known to have .999+ survival for wuflu if you're not ridiculously old,
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@hakui @shpuld @lain have to look at the situation as it is; not some hypotheticaldeaths-by-any-cause have spiked this year, and the mess is why, regardless of case-by-case attributions and should-haves
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@shpuld @lain @shmibs those were the hospital's decisions based on modeled forecasts + people deciding not to take the risk of maybe catching it
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@hakui @lain @shmibs that only applies to some cases out there, but it's not just about ICUs, it's about postponing lots of surgeries etc
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@shpuld @lain @shmibs ICUs are required to be able to go up to 125% capacityICUs are supposed to be mostly fully utilized most of the time, it's how the hospital gets incomeICUs are like RAM,
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@shmibs @shpuld @lain >several mutated strains now apparently less deadly than the initial oneyes that's how they sustain themselves, if they remained deadly they kill off the host before they can propagate
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@hakui @lain @shpuld an oversimplification there. rabies is still around despite being death-sentence when untreated because it gives plenty of time for the host to remain active and spreading. hiv also. the asymptomatic period / asymptomatic spreaders in this time around are important
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@hakui @shpuld here is a chart for the us: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/weeklyarchives2020-2021/NCHS49.htmland deaths-by-any-cause includes all causeswhen it is higher, more people are dying; more people are dying in this situation, so making the situation stop should yield fewer deaths
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@shmibs @lain @shpuld deaths-by-normal-flu also coincidentally almost disappeared from the radar
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@hakui @shpuld what incentives?who benefits from people dying?
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@shmibs @shpuld give me the chart for suomi, where it's not tainted by incentives
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@hakui @shpuld how does that make total deaths increase?
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@shmibs @shpuld US hospitals get a payout for every case deemed a covid case
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@shmibs @shpuld "oh he died in this car accident""sure, just chalk it up to covid"
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@hakui @shpuld yes, how does that make total deaths increase? are hospitals causing car accidents?
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@hakui @shpuld i'm not talking about that graph. i said over and over "deaths by any cause". more people have died this year than is usual, by a significant margin.
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@shmibs @shpuld the "total" death graph just counts influenza deathsare car accident injuries usually counted as influenza?
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@hakui those are also happeningsaid above, whatever you personally think is the "real cause" for any given case, people are dying. make the situation stop and deaths should decrease again
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@shmibs @shpuld sure, causes might include:-suicide from depression from being locked down forever when they initially said "two weeks"-suicide from depression from losing your job because it got shut down-death from hunger because you don't have money to get food because you lost your job
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@hakui if you think that's the problem, then shouting "it's all a lie" is obviously not working. a whole lot of people have been shouting that for months, and the situation has not improved. a vaccine potentially can make it stop, and there's not a good reason to suspect its making things worse
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@shmibs agree, make the lockdowns stopsweden seem to be handling it pretty well
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@hakui ok, how about thatsounds a lot better than saying sensationalist things and encouraging people to further polarise and squabble
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@shmibs how about just opening without any strings attachedthose who want the vaccine can get itthose who are still too scared to go out can stay in on their ownthose that don't mind the risk of dying can just do what they want
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@hakui you don't need to contribute to it, though
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@shmibs they're going to polarize regardless. blame the media
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@march @hakui @shmibs @shpuld What if the cure to covid was rice porridge clumsily made by a childhood friend who has a crush on you?
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@hakui @shmibs @shpuld more deadly than japanese cold
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@march @shmibs @shpuld covid is so deadly they killed so many people without actually infecting them with covidnanka osorosiikoto
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@hakui @shmibs @shpuld plus medical resource mismanagementI think there was a time here where they postponed non-urgent medical procedures to prepare for the gazillion hospitalizations covid was gonna bring. None came, and people just stayed home suffering from preventable medical conditions. Doesn't take a genius to see how that could lead to more excess deaths
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