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@orekix this is why next time i get something expensive i'm shipping it to my sister, fuck sales tax
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@lain @georgia @orekix no one made the beach, though (except that's not actually true because beaches need to have sand shipped in to replace erosive wear, but ????guess this stuff becomes problem is when too many people
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@georgia @orekix what the imbalance of power here? I have money, somebody else has beach. How did they get to own it? If they got it in an illegal way, it's not right. There's no beach in Berlin but there are public swimming pools. They cost me both taxes and money to enter. Is this more or less exploitative?
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@lain @orekix what is exploitation? using a preexisting imbalance of power to extract a material gain from someone at their expense. buying the town river and selling back the water is exploitation. so why isn't buying the town beach and selling membership fees to attend it?
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@georgia @orekix > by definition there's a degree of exploitation involved when someone makes a payment for, say, land or housing, and certainly natural resources.Sure, if you define the thing you want to show then it's true, but that's a like saying god is real because he's in the Bible.
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@lain @orekix okay but ask yourself why you don't have it and others do. by definition there's a degree of exploitation involved when someone makes a payment for, say, land or housing, and certainly natural resources. it's the difference between freedom from government interference in your personal effects and freedom to exploit your fellows.
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@georgia @orekix I agree that everything that I don't have should be taxed
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@lain @orekix personal property is one thing, only private property should be taxed
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@georgia @orekix > See tax> Become ancapThanks government
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@georgia @lain @orekix honestly yeh. and looking in retrospect for here, lot of the us founder dudes were actively opposed to that ever happening, and early colonies kept getting upset because people would just walk off and live somewhere else instead of putting up with other people owning things in towns. then that gradually transitioned into homesteading etc, where "you're allowed to claim land, but it has to sanctioned as allowed by the government" and then slid into today's ultra-capital
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@shmibs @lain @orekix right it sounds trite but the concept of owning land you don't live in is just wild
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@lain @georgia @orekix it is
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@georgia @shmibs @orekix it's completely normal and happens all the time. My parents bought a house and the land it's on with their life's work. When they die I and my siblings will inherit it, but probably not live in it. If we rent it out, is that exploitation?
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@lain @georgia @orekix normal, but
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@lain @georgia @orekix (sorry; don't mean like judgemental. not really a good alternative when there are too many people packed in too small space, so can't really wish it away even if it is hurting people. kind of "how things are"-ish. also goodnight)
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@shmibs @georgia @orekix well I think this is nonsense but it's also late so suya
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