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1. SuperDicq (superdicq@cdrom.tokyo)'s status on Monday, 11-Jan-2021 23:24:47 JST SuperDicq

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   @shpuld @hj Yeah well free software is ultimate redpill. Every issue people have with software is fixed when it becomes free.Security, privacy, monopolies, restrictions, censorship, piracy, etc.Literally every software issue people experience daily is fixed if the world switches to free software.
   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Monday, 11-Jan-2021 23:24:45 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     @SuperDicq @shpuld @hj not security, though maybe it improves, and censorship can still occur at the infrastructure level, and privacy is a problem always when using other peoples' systems, medical records or whatever. the others, though, kinda
   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Monday, 11-Jan-2021 23:46:39 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     @SuperDicq @hj @shpuld security: improvement != solved. plenty of completely open libraries used near universally have had big security flaws because no one stopped to review them. and, in the case of messy high-level languages like js, open-source-libraries-for-everything encourage people to pull in a mass of insecure dependenciescensorship: communications still have to run through someone else's hardware to reach their destinations, and whoever controls that hardware can control what it transmitsprivacy: is not improved in any situation dealing with systems you do not own or have control overis what was said above. open software is to me a universal good, but it also does not solve all the world's computer problems
   • SuperDicq (superdicq@cdrom.tokyo)'s status on Monday, 11-Jan-2021 23:46:40 JST SuperDicq

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     @shmibs @hj @shpuld Security improves by third parties being able to audit, censorship is gone because people can make alternatives, privacy is improved by being able to remove privacy invasive features.

     But yeah of course you will never have control over what other people are able to save on the network, but you’ll have full control over what is being sent over the network in the first place.

   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Monday, 11-Jan-2021 23:55:56 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     @SuperDicq @hj @shpuld you said that "every issue people have with software is fixed when it becomes free", which is just not the case. if all the worlds' distributed software became open-sourced, these problems and more (like accessibility issues) would still exist.
   • SuperDicq (superdicq@cdrom.tokyo)'s status on Monday, 11-Jan-2021 23:55:58 JST SuperDicq

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     @shmibs @hj @shpuld I said security improved because security is an issue that is never fully solved. New types of attacks get invented every day.

   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Jan-2021 00:03:41 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     @SuperDicq @hj @shpuld so a world with only free-software is impossible as long as there's an internet?and, even in such a world, information about people is recorded by systems they don't own and to which their devices do not connect. hospitals and government offices keep records. cameras record people
   • SuperDicq (superdicq@cdrom.tokyo)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Jan-2021 00:03:43 JST SuperDicq

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     @shmibs @hj @shpuld >privacy: is not improved in any situation dealing with systems you do not own or have control over

     That is true but this is also fixed by using free software. Software that relies on outside systems to function is not free software, it’s proprietary, see SaaSS.

   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Jan-2021 00:10:46 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     @SuperDicq @hj @shpuld all internet-connected software requires a specific network to function
   • SuperDicq (superdicq@cdrom.tokyo)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Jan-2021 00:10:47 JST SuperDicq

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     @shmibs @hj @shpuld Using a network at all is not nonfree, that's not what I'm saying.I'm saying that any software that requires a specific network to function is nonfree, especially if communication is not critical to the operation of the program.
   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Jan-2021 00:14:16 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     @SuperDicq if that's your definition, then the same privacy issues exist when interacting with those irc or xmpp servers
   • SuperDicq (superdicq@cdrom.tokyo)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Jan-2021 00:14:17 JST SuperDicq

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     @shmibs @hj @shpuld with specific network I mean for example a chat program that is only able to communicate with 1 server, like Facebook Messenger. While software that can communicate with any server such IRC or XMPP exists.
   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Jan-2021 00:16:24 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     @SuperDicq if the clients are modifiable, the users presumably control to the exact same degree what they share with facebook
   • SuperDicq (superdicq@cdrom.tokyo)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Jan-2021 00:16:25 JST SuperDicq

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     @shmibs They don’t because users control what they share with those irc or xmpp servers. It’s all voluntary.