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"freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom of consequences" is such a silly phraseI mean we have "freedom to steal shit" it just doesn't mean you're free from the consequences when you get caught!
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@shpuld @muhlinus they're pretty the same. life is, largely, internalised. requires air, but owning that isn't a thing yet, requires water, but most places don't require giving that freely? (here does though, because desert), and requires waste-excretion, but you're not allowed to just do that whereverspeech in the same way, the act itself is fine, private citizens not required to deal with the mouth-poops that come from it. same as "peaceable assembly", can do that fine as long as it's internalised, not on someone else's property (in theory, at least; practice often means being beaten by police)
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@muhlinus I also thought of another fun example, what if we take another basic freedom, like right to life. can we also say your right was not violated if someone else but the government took it away? we do that with speech w
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@shpuld I agree
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@muhlinus no you don't get the point what I'm saying, you had to come up with your own implication and subtext because the phrase thrown around is lacking. I know what people *usually* mean by it but that doesn't make it good
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@shpuld no re-education. It's implied that the state has nothing to say. It's just about the law not being able to get you (in theory). Your friends might stop talking to you though.
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@muhlinus the fact you have to explain the meaning of the phrase with very different wording just shows how stupid the phrase itself, which was my pointif you simplify it to "doesn't mean no consequences" it can mean anything from justifying being beaten up or put into re-education to just being mocked
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@shpuld what people mean is that freedom of speech doesn't protect you from people thinking you are an idiot.The same way you have the freedom to stare at any chicks tits.With great power comes greats responsibility.
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@shpuld @muhlinus somehow forgot to mention trespass, re lifein theory though, rights and forced-guarantees are not really the same thing, is all i meant. right means "go off and do your thing; we won't stop you" and not "force other people to help you do it". actual law gets messy of course, but
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@shmibs @muhlinus basically rights are not absolute and will never be
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