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  1. poe slaw (wiggles@counter.fedi.live)'s status on Saturday, 27-Feb-2021 12:10:41 JST poe slaw poe slaw

    I’ve always been low-key against public schools out of fear that the government would use its monopoly on primary education to indoctrinate us, but my friends would always call me paranoid etc and I mostly believed them

    Now with all this Critical Gender/Race Theory showing up in K-12 curricula, however, it seems I was right. Fuck, I wanted to be wrong on this one.

    In conversation Saturday, 27-Feb-2021 12:10:41 JST from counter.fedi.live permalink
    • バツ子(痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Saturday, 27-Feb-2021 12:10:30 JST バツ子(痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; バツ子(痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;
      in reply to
      • Infected Moomin
      • djsumdog
      @Moon @djsumdog @wiggles there's no far-back, and school indoctrination is nothing new; can't have schools without itand isolate groups have their own biases and are eternally-septemberedhave to be a proper hermit to avoid, which is impossible now, the real change of the last-2-centuries
      In conversation Saturday, 27-Feb-2021 12:10:30 JST permalink
    • Infected Moomin (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 27-Feb-2021 12:10:31 JST Infected Moomin Infected Moomin
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      • Infected Moomin
      • djsumdog
      @djsumdog @wiggles it's fun to think about how far back you'd have to go to pre-empt everything that's happened when people said "won't this lead to x" and they were told no it won't. and then here we are, everything we were told wouldn't happen has happened, we are living in a lunatic asylum and they inmates are running it.
      In conversation Saturday, 27-Feb-2021 12:10:31 JST permalink
    • Infected Moomin (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 27-Feb-2021 12:10:32 JST Infected Moomin Infected Moomin
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      • djsumdog
      @djsumdog @wiggles this garbage has been incrementally seeping into schools since the 1980's. We used to make fun of people that wanted to get rid of master and slave IDE drives instead of indulging their idiocy.
      In conversation Saturday, 27-Feb-2021 12:10:32 JST permalink
    • djsumdog (djsumdog@djsumdog.com)'s status on Saturday, 27-Feb-2021 12:10:33 JST djsumdog djsumdog
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      @wiggles I was already in graduate school by 2006; so I was never in a position to see any of this that early on. At least with gender ideology, there are videos back from the 90s Kate Bornstein saying some of the same stuff that’s now crazy mainstream.

      My undergrad was in a state university in a small town, but I do think I saw the beginning of a lot of the hard-left mindset from my professors at the time. I’m actually really curious how on-campus Christian miniseries are coping with this (I was involved with Campus Crusade and Intervarsity for a bit but left the faith during University). There was at least one case recently of a Christian student council member at a university that was harassed for her opposition to a rainbow flag.

      I had a psychology professor talk about how it’s very difficult to climb the social ladder (the George Carlin school of you have to be asleep to believe the American dream school of thinking) and both me and a lot of my friends hated the police, mostly due to a lot of people getting bused for drugs.

      I really worry that an earlier me would be knee deep in this defund the police garbage. But I think living outside America for years and growing up a lot has made me not hate the police and no longer hate America.

      I think back to that professor talking about how it’s difficult to change your social class in America. She didn’t mention that, even though it’s hard, it’s still easier than a lot of the world. I also never thought about the fact that my dad grew up in a war in India, got his degree, got a visa, brought his family to the US and literally lived the supposedly elusive American dream.

      In conversation Saturday, 27-Feb-2021 12:10:33 JST permalink
    • poe slaw (wiggles@counter.fedi.live)'s status on Saturday, 27-Feb-2021 12:10:39 JST poe slaw poe slaw
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      • djsumdog

      @djsumdog I know teachers personally as an adult who like this woke shit; I may even be related to one? I haven’t inquired and don’t want to know that person’s views on the topic; I’m not looking to create toxic family dynamics.

      It’s hard for me to talk about my educational history without worrying that I might doxx myself, but I was exposed to Critical Race Theory for the first time in the public school system as part of an advanced program in 2006, so it’s important to realize that this rot has been around for awhile already in “trendy” academic programs and I think higher education.

      What we’re seeing now are the results of these departments in Universities having been already completely taken over and producing activists, some of whom are teachers, so I’m worried that people are only just starting to notice what has happened, and the Democrats seem eager to adopt it, both at the party level and, anecdotally, the individual outspoken Democrats that I know, as well.

      In conversation Saturday, 27-Feb-2021 12:10:39 JST permalink
    • djsumdog (djsumdog@djsumdog.com)'s status on Saturday, 27-Feb-2021 12:10:40 JST djsumdog djsumdog
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      @wiggles I grew up in the Tennessee public school system and thought I got a pretty good education for the most part. The only teacher I talk to on the regular is in a private Catholic school and she's seen none of the critical race/gender crap come to her school, but she has heard of other teachers having to deal with it.This stuff can't possibly last. If it does we're easily on our way to China style indoctrination and British style ministries of truth.
      In conversation Saturday, 27-Feb-2021 12:10:40 JST permalink
    • バツ子(痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Saturday, 27-Feb-2021 12:27:18 JST バツ子(痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; バツ子(痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;
      in reply to
      • Infected Moomin
      • djsumdog
      @Moon @djsumdog @wiggles eh, whatever-prairie-schoolhouse will be subject to whatever-local-christianity-variant etc
      In conversation Saturday, 27-Feb-2021 12:27:18 JST permalink
    • Infected Moomin (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 27-Feb-2021 12:27:19 JST Infected Moomin Infected Moomin
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      • バツ子(痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;
      • djsumdog
      @shmibs @djsumdog @wiggles I mean yeah if you want to go back far enough https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_education_system I'm thinking of more recent indoctrination that probably goes back to the 60s and the long march through the institutions.
      In conversation Saturday, 27-Feb-2021 12:27:19 JST permalink

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        Prussian education system
        The Prussian education system refers to the system of education established in Prussia as a result of educational reforms in the late 18th and early 19th century, which has had widespread influence since. The Prussian education system was introduced as a basic concept in the late 18th century and was significantly enhanced after Prussia's defeat in the early stages of the Napoleonic Wars. The Prussian educational reforms inspired other countries and remains important as a biopower in the Foucaultian sense for nation-building.The term itself is not used in German literature, which refers to the primary aspects of the Humboldtian education ideal respectively as the Prussian reforms; however, the basic concept remains fruitful and has led to various debates and controversies. Twenty-first century primary and secondary education in Germany and beyond still embodies the legacy of the Prussian education system. Origin The basic foundations of a generic Prussian primary education system were laid out by Frederick the Great with his Generallandschulreglement, a decree of 1763 which was written by Johann Julius Hecker. Hecker had...
    • バツ子(痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Saturday, 27-Feb-2021 12:35:55 JST バツ子(痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; バツ子(痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;
      in reply to
      • Infected Moomin
      • djsumdog
      @Moon @djsumdog @wiggles yeh, it's just a new religion, is all; nothing weirdif it's centralised indoctrination vs. decentralised being the problem, have to go back to universal-high-school becoming a thing for that, with standardised testing as a notable event. can't do without school in a modern-y country, though, so not much choice but mandating something; maybe can be better implemented
      In conversation Saturday, 27-Feb-2021 12:35:55 JST permalink
    • Infected Moomin (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 27-Feb-2021 12:35:56 JST Infected Moomin Infected Moomin
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      • バツ子(痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;
      • djsumdog
      @shmibs @djsumdog @wiggles their indoctrination is bad but my indoctrination is good
      In conversation Saturday, 27-Feb-2021 12:35:56 JST permalink
    • バツ子(痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Saturday, 27-Feb-2021 13:18:09 JST バツ子(痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; バツ子(痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;
      in reply to
      • Infected Moomin
      • djsumdog
      @wiggles @Moon @djsumdog religion has been taught in schools for always, and plenty of us schools teaching christian doctrine still even today
      In conversation Saturday, 27-Feb-2021 13:18:09 JST permalink
    • poe slaw (wiggles@counter.fedi.live)'s status on Saturday, 27-Feb-2021 13:18:10 JST poe slaw poe slaw
      in reply to
      • バツ子(痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;
      • Infected Moomin
      • djsumdog
      @shmibs @Moon @djsumdog it's a new religion alright but it's not being treated like a religion. It isn't legal for the State to reach a religion in the public schools in the US, but Critical Theory is being taught as fact
      In conversation Saturday, 27-Feb-2021 13:18:10 JST permalink
    • バツ子(痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Saturday, 27-Feb-2021 13:20:38 JST バツ子(痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; バツ子(痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;
      in reply to
      • Infected Moomin
      • djsumdog
      @wiggles @Moon @djsumdog definitely do, though it varies a lot by region
      In conversation Saturday, 27-Feb-2021 13:20:38 JST permalink
    • poe slaw (wiggles@counter.fedi.live)'s status on Saturday, 27-Feb-2021 13:20:39 JST poe slaw poe slaw
      in reply to
      • バツ子(痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;
      • Infected Moomin
      • djsumdog
      @shmibs @Moon @djsumdog public schools absolutely do not teach Christian doctrine in the US today, that's absolutely false
      In conversation Saturday, 27-Feb-2021 13:20:39 JST permalink
    • バツ子(痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Saturday, 27-Feb-2021 13:26:59 JST バツ子(痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; バツ子(痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;
      in reply to
      • Infected Moomin
      • djsumdog
      @wiggles @Moon @djsumdog official curriculum and what's actually taught are separate thingsand we had teacher-led prayer meetings and bible-studying-in-class etc heredon't mean to single christian stuff out in particular though; there's always something. whatever's on in the larger society will end up in the classroom
      In conversation Saturday, 27-Feb-2021 13:26:59 JST permalink
    • poe slaw (wiggles@counter.fedi.live)'s status on Saturday, 27-Feb-2021 13:27:00 JST poe slaw poe slaw
      in reply to
      • バツ子(痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;
      • Infected Moomin
      • djsumdog
      @shmibs @Moon @djsumdog I grew up in the South. It is illegal for teachers to preach their faith in the public school system. You're on another planet if you think Christianity is official curricula in American public schools in 2021
      In conversation Saturday, 27-Feb-2021 13:27:00 JST permalink
    • バツ子(痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Saturday, 27-Feb-2021 13:38:29 JST バツ子(痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; バツ子(痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;
      in reply to
      • Infected Moomin
      • djsumdog
      @wiggles @Moon @djsumdog no, i'm saying that, between societal-dogma and official-curriculum, the former generally wins
      In conversation Saturday, 27-Feb-2021 13:38:29 JST permalink
    • poe slaw (wiggles@counter.fedi.live)'s status on Saturday, 27-Feb-2021 13:38:30 JST poe slaw poe slaw
      in reply to
      • バツ子(痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;
      • Infected Moomin
      • djsumdog

      @shmibs @Moon @djsumdog

      official curriculum and what’s actually taught are separate things

      What? Are you saying that if Critical Social Justice is on the curriculum I shouldn’t worry because it won’t get taught? …. or …?

      In conversation Saturday, 27-Feb-2021 13:38:30 JST permalink
    • バツ子(痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Saturday, 27-Feb-2021 13:45:46 JST バツ子(痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; バツ子(痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;
      in reply to
      • mouse
      • Infected Moomin
      • djsumdog
      @a7 @Moon @djsumdog @wiggles mmm, christianity doesn't have the strong believerbase it had 100 years ago, and the latest resurgence-wave of the 90s-ish is now well on the way out to retirement, so they can't be the heckling-mom-squad-who-control-what's-taught any more. now we have wibbly-wobbly people who grew up on internet, and critical-theory stuff is the nearest they have to central dogma
      In conversation Saturday, 27-Feb-2021 13:45:46 JST permalink
    • mouse (a7@pleroma.mouse.services)'s status on Saturday, 27-Feb-2021 13:45:47 JST mouse mouse
      in reply to
      • バツ子(痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;
      • Infected Moomin
      • djsumdog

      @shmibs @wiggles @Moon @djsumdog

      In conversation Saturday, 27-Feb-2021 13:45:47 JST permalink
    • バツ子(痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Saturday, 27-Feb-2021 13:53:53 JST バツ子(痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; バツ子(痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;
      in reply to
      • Infected Moomin
      @Moon picked up an interesting book, "strange rites", tara isabella burton
      In conversation Saturday, 27-Feb-2021 13:53:53 JST permalink
    • Infected Moomin (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 27-Feb-2021 13:53:54 JST Infected Moomin Infected Moomin
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      • mouse
      • バツ子(痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;
      • djsumdog
      @shmibs @a7 @djsumdog @wiggles ironically it is taught uncritically
      In conversation Saturday, 27-Feb-2021 13:53:54 JST permalink

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