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is affirmative consent really a thing, when I was dating if you asked a girl before if you could kiss her, you were a total dork.
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@Moon it seems doof to me, but apparently kids now spend all their time online and don't get drunk together etc so they don't know how to navigate social interactions
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shmibs help
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@mangeurdenuage @Moon no, but it used to be the norm for 15/16-olds to hang around in person and do "taboo things", whereas now no-sex-until-internet-dating-after-20 apparently
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@shmibs @Moon >and don't get drunk together etc so they don't know how to navigate social interactionsYou to be drunk to do that ?
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@mangeurdenuage @Moon i was working at 16 alsonothing "bad" about 20, obvs; just it's a shift in norms
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@shmibs @mangeurdenuage another cultural fatality of kids following the rules too much
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@Moon @shmibs Well I have my excuses for that, being brutalized as a kid and my parents heavily insisting one work after the end of my studies.I didn't feel the need for a relation till I was 24~25 years old.
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@shmibs @mangeurdenuage if it's because of widespread social retardation it's kind of bad isn't itmaybe it doesn't matter but to me it seems like a symptom of the same thing that caused young people to not travel as far from their house than children in past decades. they're less autonomous.
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@Moon @mangeurdenuage kids now don't have money, is more why they can't move; staying with parents etc
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@Moon @mangeurdenuage people aren't meeting in person as often now, is true, but not being able to move is an issue of living either with parents or together in an apartment with three people and not being able to save up enough to be confident quitting jobs and leavinglooking historically, though, moving away to Somewhere Else, is a weird outlier traidition from the us "manifest destiny" thing
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@shmibs @mangeurdenuage the moving thing goes all the way back to very young ages, I don't think it's about money. I would blame video games before money. also kids getting fatter.I'm not blaming the kids, mind you. they're victims.
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@Moon @mangeurdenuage like go anywhere in the past, or somewhere like india today, and parents wouldn't have that expectation
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@Moon @mangeurdenuage oh that, right; yeh that's kind of a combined effect of the whole "stranger danger" parent-fear-pushing stuffbeing able to explore is important; we were fine on that count here, though, entire big neighbourhood full of washes, and could head up on the mountain too
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@shmibs @mangeurdenuage ohhhh I see what you mean, I mean physical moving, like range of movement from home, kindly see illustration.I agree with you about the moving away from home thing, it's also a postwar anomaly, in colonial times men wouldn't move out until their mid 20s when they got married.
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