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  1. バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Friday, 30-Apr-2021 03:10:47 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;
    things markets don't incentivise:- art- scientific research- being a parent- not poisoning thousands of people
    In conversation Friday, 30-Apr-2021 03:10:47 JST from tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu permalink
    • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Friday, 30-Apr-2021 03:55:30 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;
      in reply to
      • labeochrysophekadion
      @labeochrysophekadionpieceofshit.png
      In conversation Friday, 30-Apr-2021 03:55:30 JST permalink
    • labeochrysophekadion@mastodon.online's status on Friday, 30-Apr-2021 03:55:38 JST labeochrysophekadion labeochrysophekadion
      in reply to

      @shmibs art

      In conversation Friday, 30-Apr-2021 03:55:38 JST permalink
    • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Friday, 30-Apr-2021 03:56:34 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;
      in reply to
      • labeochrysophekadion
      @labeochrysophekadion mmm, people do those things in spite of market incentivesbecause they're incentivised also by not-sufferingwould be nice if the two were mediated, rather than being in direct conflict
      In conversation Friday, 30-Apr-2021 03:56:34 JST permalink
    • labeochrysophekadion@mastodon.online's status on Friday, 30-Apr-2021 03:56:35 JST labeochrysophekadion labeochrysophekadion
      in reply to

      @shmibs scientific research

      In conversation Friday, 30-Apr-2021 03:56:35 JST permalink
    • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Friday, 30-Apr-2021 03:57:13 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;
      in reply to
      • labeochrysophekadion
      @labeochrysophekadion corporations are government
      In conversation Friday, 30-Apr-2021 03:57:13 JST permalink
    • labeochrysophekadion@mastodon.online's status on Friday, 30-Apr-2021 03:57:14 JST labeochrysophekadion labeochrysophekadion
      in reply to

      @shmibs

      4 make companies pay rent for air they rent from the population and make them pay free market prices for any air they ruined

      make them pay medical bill for renting workforce

      poisoning is always the result oа government monopolies and corruption

      In conversation Friday, 30-Apr-2021 03:57:14 JST permalink
    • labeochrysophekadion@mastodon.online's status on Friday, 30-Apr-2021 03:57:15 JST labeochrysophekadion labeochrysophekadion
      in reply to

      @shmibs parenting

      In conversation Friday, 30-Apr-2021 03:57:15 JST permalink
    • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Friday, 30-Apr-2021 03:58:24 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;
      in reply to
      • labeochrysophekadion
      @labeochrysophekadion free markets create government
      In conversation Friday, 30-Apr-2021 03:58:24 JST permalink
    • labeochrysophekadion@mastodon.online's status on Friday, 30-Apr-2021 03:58:25 JST labeochrysophekadion labeochrysophekadion
      in reply to

      @shmibs

      te only thing in conflict is allowing corrupt governments to close free market and award monopolies to companies

      usa med airforce monopolyusa ISP monopolyusa phones monopoly

      In conversation Friday, 30-Apr-2021 03:58:25 JST permalink
    • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Friday, 30-Apr-2021 04:02:21 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;
      in reply to
      • labeochrysophekadion
      @labeochrysophekadion who's arguing against capitalism?
      In conversation Friday, 30-Apr-2021 04:02:21 JST permalink
    • labeochrysophekadion@mastodon.online's status on Friday, 30-Apr-2021 04:02:22 JST labeochrysophekadion labeochrysophekadion
      in reply to

      @shmibs oh yesh what free market was for cavemen?

      storng jerks with big clubs create governmentspeople revolts open free markets and end slavery

      not a single government with zero capitalism ever let slaves go until a revolt

      In conversation Friday, 30-Apr-2021 04:02:22 JST permalink
    • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Friday, 30-Apr-2021 04:07:46 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;
      in reply to
      • labeochrysophekadion
      @labeochrysophekadion among capitalist systems, a free market is a maximally unstable state, the most conducive for creating governmentsa system with "public" and "private" governments checked-and-balanced is also unstable, but less sosometimes market incentives and people-not-suffering overlap. and sometimes they don'tfor those places they don't overlap, only outside market regulation can reduce suffering
      In conversation Friday, 30-Apr-2021 04:07:46 JST permalink
    • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Friday, 30-Apr-2021 04:12:06 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;
      in reply to
      • labeochrysophekadion
      @labeochrysophekadion we have capitalism in many countries right now without a free market. free markets are unstable and ephemeral; they cannot exist for any significant length of timeif you have no "public" government, who will force the "private" government to pay?
      In conversation Friday, 30-Apr-2021 04:12:06 JST permalink
    • labeochrysophekadion@mastodon.online's status on Friday, 30-Apr-2021 04:12:07 JST labeochrysophekadion labeochrysophekadion
      in reply to

      @shmibs without free market there is no capitalism

      the only problem with any government is humans

      remove humans and replace them with robots = no corruption

      not market regulation, but removing the regulation and transfering it back to people

      right now all land all air and oceans are owned by governments give them back to population and force every company to pay rental prices to peoplem not into gov pockets

      In conversation Friday, 30-Apr-2021 04:12:07 JST permalink
    • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Friday, 30-Apr-2021 04:15:04 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;
      in reply to
      • labeochrysophekadion
      @labeochrysophekadion there are no free market countries
      In conversation Friday, 30-Apr-2021 04:15:04 JST permalink
    • labeochrysophekadion@mastodon.online's status on Friday, 30-Apr-2021 04:15:05 JST labeochrysophekadion labeochrysophekadion
      in reply to

      @shmibs

      stealing money from people and putting them into pockets of dictators is not capitalism

      free market countries live in prosperity while we eat dirt and die 50 years old in caves

      free market countries are green we meanwhile pollute the earth and spread diseases

      In conversation Friday, 30-Apr-2021 04:15:05 JST permalink
    • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Friday, 30-Apr-2021 04:22:30 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;
      in reply to
      • labeochrysophekadion
      @labeochrysophekadion art exists because artists write and draw and make music despite being rewarded by no onehigh-budget movies are terrible because they are profit-motivatedtoday's countries cover a spectrum of regulated markets, some with that regulation turned more towards reducing suffering than others, but none where the two are equally valuedbecause this regulation is unstable, it always progresses towards one government or the other dominating
      In conversation Friday, 30-Apr-2021 04:22:30 JST permalink
    • labeochrysophekadion@mastodon.online's status on Friday, 30-Apr-2021 04:22:31 JST labeochrysophekadion labeochrysophekadion
      in reply to

      @shmibs what is there then? jewreptiloids conspiracy from nebiru inside 4th dimention tesseract powered by gravitational forces of love?

      the only reason any art exists is capitalism. people who add no value being paid by rich people with income

      In conversation Friday, 30-Apr-2021 04:22:31 JST permalink
    • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Friday, 30-Apr-2021 04:40:38 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;
      in reply to
      • labeochrysophekadion
      @labeochrysophekadion yes, budget movies are horrible because they must cater to the market, rather than made freelyrenaissance artists had to self-censor and pander, working on projects like the sistine chapel, because the art they wanted to make had no market valuechildren drawing doodles is art
      In conversation Friday, 30-Apr-2021 04:40:38 JST permalink
    • labeochrysophekadion@mastodon.online's status on Friday, 30-Apr-2021 04:40:40 JST labeochrysophekadion labeochrysophekadion
      in reply to

      @shmibs any budget movies are profit-driven

      it's so expensive to make a movie there isn't a single movie made without investments

      students playing zombies in "terrible student zombie film №23523452364" and spitting cherry juice is not art

      even porimer:Budget $7,000Box office $841,926

      above 700 fold profits

      In conversation Friday, 30-Apr-2021 04:40:40 JST permalink
    • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Friday, 30-Apr-2021 04:49:18 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;
      in reply to
      • labeochrysophekadion
      @labeochrysophekadion most movies are garbagesome are good, because they're made by directors and teams who move freely and aren't market incentivisedboth art and scientific research cannot be effectively practised when bound by market incentives because they have a very high "failure" to "success" ratio. innovation requires failure, and failure is not profitableso instead we have disney and microsoft
      In conversation Friday, 30-Apr-2021 04:49:18 JST permalink
    • labeochrysophekadion@mastodon.online's status on Friday, 30-Apr-2021 04:49:19 JST labeochrysophekadion labeochrysophekadion
      in reply to

      @shmibs

      so you hate every movie in existance

      In conversation Friday, 30-Apr-2021 04:49:19 JST permalink
    • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Friday, 30-Apr-2021 05:36:36 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;
      in reply to
      • labeochrysophekadion
      @labeochrysophekadion effective research and art are not products people can pay for. they don't fit within the market paradigm, and so largely do not exist in the modern world outside of marginal pocketspeople in these pockets do art and research in spite of the market, and the market does its best to exploit the results, running on diminishing returns until it finds something new to exploitit is extremely inefficient
      In conversation Friday, 30-Apr-2021 05:36:36 JST permalink
    • labeochrysophekadion@mastodon.online's status on Friday, 30-Apr-2021 05:36:37 JST labeochrysophekadion labeochrysophekadion
      in reply to

      @shmibs

      well then don't pay to disney and microsoft and they will go bankrupt

      oh wait actual people actually want their productsand they don't want whatever children are doodlingcreating crap no one wants is not art it's wasting resources and polluting the globe it's activelly killing people

      you know who also was A MISUNDERSTOOD UNPOPULAR ARTIST?

      In conversation Friday, 30-Apr-2021 05:36:37 JST permalink
    • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Friday, 30-Apr-2021 07:53:47 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;
      in reply to
      • labeochrysophekadion
      @labeochrysophekadion engineering is not research
      In conversation Friday, 30-Apr-2021 07:53:47 JST permalink
    • labeochrysophekadion@mastodon.online's status on Friday, 30-Apr-2021 07:53:48 JST labeochrysophekadion labeochrysophekadion
      in reply to

      @shmibs

      childish nonsense

      In conversation Friday, 30-Apr-2021 07:53:48 JST permalink
    • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Friday, 30-Apr-2021 08:16:37 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;
      in reply to
      • labeochrysophekadion
      @labeochrysophekadion > government invests n100 billion in public research funding every year> most of it goes nowhere> companies borrow bits that do and apply in engineering> company receives money> company is praised for amazing new drug/devicecorporate r&d cannot innovate freely because it's profit motivated. and now universities can't innovate freely either because public funding is being progressively reduced and researchers spend most of their time on grant proposals and squabbling, which also encourages trend-following and the falsification of datahere's a nice book, though a bit out of date by now as the trend it maps has continued to progress in the last few years https://mitpress.mit.edu/books/knowledge-sale
      In conversation Friday, 30-Apr-2021 08:16:37 JST permalink

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        Knowledge for Sale
        How free-market fundamentalists have shifted the focus of higher education to competition, metrics, consumer demand, and return on investment, and why we should change this. A new philosophy of higher education has taken hold in institutions around the world. Its supporters disavow the pursuit of knowledge for its own sake and argue that the only knowledge worth pursuing is that with more or less immediate market value. Every other kind of learning is downgraded, its budget cut. In Knowledge for Sale, Lawrence Busch challenges this market-driven approach.The rationale for the current thinking, Busch explains, comes from neoliberal economics, which calls for reorganizing society around the needs of the market. The market-influenced changes to higher education include shifting the cost of education from the state to the individual, turning education from a public good to a private good subject to consumer demand; redefining higher education as a search for the highest-paying job; and turning scholarly research into a competition based on metrics including number of citations and value of grants. Students, administrators, and scholars have begun to think of themselves as economic actors rather than seekers of knowledge.Arguing for active resistance to this takeover, Busch urges us to burst the neoliberal bubble, to imagine a future not dictated by the market, a future in which there is a more educated citizenry and in which the old dichotomies—market and state, nature and culture, and equality and liberty—break down. In this future, universities value learning and not training, scholarship grapples with society's most pressing problems rather than quick fixes for corporate interests, and democracy is enriched by its educated and engaged citizens.
    • labeochrysophekadion@mastodon.online's status on Friday, 30-Apr-2021 08:16:39 JST labeochrysophekadion labeochrysophekadion
      in reply to

      @shmibs

      https://youtu.be/ulc9Vdx8-io

      In conversation Friday, 30-Apr-2021 08:16:39 JST permalink

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