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1. georgia (georgia@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 30-May-2021 06:07:28 JST georgia
   unironically though there is no such thing as biphobia, when straight people are bigoted against bisexuals it's because they're kinda gay and not fully straight not because they're bi and when gay people shit on you you're not being fucking oppressed eitherthis tumblr tier "monosexual privilege" rhetoric is the worstgo "fall in love with souls" somewhere else
   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Sunday, 30-May-2021 06:07:22 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     @georgia @lanodan should stop doing it then and fewer will complain
   • georgia (georgia@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 30-May-2021 06:07:24 JST georgia

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     @lanodan i just hate when bisexuals claim to be oppressed by homosexuals tbh
   • Haelwenn /ɛlwən/ ? (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Sunday, 30-May-2021 06:07:25 JST Haelwenn /ɛlwən/ ?

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     @georgia Are you arguing with teenagers?
   • georgia (georgia@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 30-May-2021 06:07:26 JST georgia

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     bisexuality is wonderful, but being smug about it like you're more enlightened and we're just closeminded is fucking insufferable
   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Sunday, 30-May-2021 06:17:30 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     @georgia @rizzo @dhfir @lanodan "oppression" is not a hierarchy but more like a web. in-group out-group mentality is human default and has to be actively resisted through personal-level awareness and self-control and early-life positive or neutral interactions with the out-group in questionas long as a group exists there will be people in it taking the we-good they-bad position and mistreating out-group individuals. denying that leads to saying things like "black" people can't be racist or "gay" people never hate on "bi" people. there is no systemic, just a whole lot of people being jerks to each other
   • Rizzo (rizzo@letsalllovela.in)'s status on Sunday, 30-May-2021 06:17:31 JST Rizzo

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     @georgia @lanodan @dhfir "bi people are in "the community" because they are same sex attracted and for no other reason" This kind of language leads to experiences like this. "When I came out as bi to my closest friend in that group, I had a lot of pressure from her and a few other people who were also lesbian to ditch being bi and come out as a lesbian. When I said it would be untrue, I was met with these just insidious and snarky comments. For a long time I felt deflated, and like they were more legitimately queer than me.""This isolates fellow queer people. Who feel like they can't find community within the queer community because they are not queer enough. This is damaging to them hence the term biphobia. Here's the article:https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.refinery29.com/amp/en-gb/2021/04/10415162/how-to-deal-with-biphobia
   • georgia (georgia@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 30-May-2021 06:17:31 JST georgia

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     @rizzo @dhfir @lanodan "this kind of language" is true though what happened to the woman in the anecdote is unfortunate. bi people aren't here cause they're freaky and kuhweer. they're here because of the struggle for the liberation of same sex attracted people. part of the problem with bis and aces in "the community" is for some od them being oppressed is a huge part of their identity and gay people telling them there is no systemic oppression against them is seen as saying they're bad. that's not what it means.
   • georgia (georgia@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 30-May-2021 06:17:32 JST georgia

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     @lanodan @dhfir it's not like gays and bis are two totally separate groups oppressed differently. gay people experience what bi people experience in some of their relationships in all of their relationships. bi people are in "the community" because they are same sex attracted and for no other reason
   • Haelwenn /ɛlwən/ ? (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Sunday, 30-May-2021 06:17:34 JST Haelwenn /ɛlwən/ ?

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     @georgia @dhfir reverse black/white there and you get something that's probably true.
   • georgia (georgia@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 30-May-2021 06:17:35 JST georgia

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     @dhfir @lanodan dude that take is like "black people can't say they know that they aren't oppressing white people"
   • Greyperson (dhfir@expired.mentality.rip)'s status on Sunday, 30-May-2021 06:17:44 JST Greyperson

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     @georgia @lanodan georgia one day: I don't think members of group x can really understand what group y goes throughGeorgia another day: as a member of group a, I fully understand and absolutely know that group b is not being oppressed by members of group a.Or at least that's how it comes off.
   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Sunday, 30-May-2021 06:30:56 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     @rizzo @georgia @dhfir @lanodan that's not really true. third sex is a pretty weird concept, and looking at pre-contact tribes etc what looks most common to me is people being allowed to choose societal-man or societal-woman, each of which had associated clothing and jobs and "you can marry the other one"
   • Rizzo (rizzo@letsalllovela.in)'s status on Sunday, 30-May-2021 06:30:57 JST Rizzo

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     @georgia @dhfir @lanodan privledge and situations change a lot of things. Binary is a privledge. That's not to say like. A binary trans women's life is inherently going to be better than a closeted nonbinary person's life. Just like how a white person's life isn't going to be inherently better than a poc's person's life. Like if you're a Hispanic person who has the privledge of being born in a high economic status you're probably going to have a better time than a person who is white and comes from a family who is debt. But that doesn't mean white privledge doesn't exist. Like if you're binary. You have the privledge of having and entire system dedicated to you because western society legit wiped out the third sex.
   • georgia (georgia@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 30-May-2021 06:30:58 JST georgia

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     @rizzo @dhfir @lanodan i don't think it's true that nonbinary people are more oppressed than trans people at all.
   • Rizzo (rizzo@letsalllovela.in)'s status on Sunday, 30-May-2021 06:30:59 JST Rizzo

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     @georgia @dhfir @lanodan that goes for everyone. Sometimes having oppression happen to you gives you trauma. Just like how rape can give you trauma, and then people will complain about people who are vocal rape victims. Being vocal about trauma isn't a sin the way people act like it is. Nonbinary people get accused of making their sexuality their identity like a fuck ton. I have been accused of having nonbinary as a personality and I barely talk about being nonbinary. Nonbinary people get harassed more than binary trans people due to the third sex being systemically wiped out. so if I did "make it my identity" by talking about it that wouldn't be such a big deal. I don't believe this whole "their only personality trait is their sexuality and therefore makes the rest of us look bad is a thing.". Milo Stewart got accused of this and got overly unjust harassment for it. It just seems to be the case where people want to shut people who have had trauma from society up.
   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Sunday, 30-May-2021 06:41:46 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     @rizzo @dhfir @georgia @lanodan that western society erased the third sexa social gender binary is a common idea that's popped up all over everywhere, not something the abrahamic brigade invented. it was an adaptive strategy for social cohesion and having enough babies, so it naturally proliferatednot to say "it's naturally occurent and therefore should be preserved", though. thought from me is that government having anything to say about sex/gender/peoples-bodies etc is pretty pointless and creepy and leads to edge case problems in e.g. healthcare that wouldn't otherwise exist. should just treat humans as humans and leave people to work whatever else out for themselves
   • Rizzo (rizzo@letsalllovela.in)'s status on Sunday, 30-May-2021 06:41:47 JST Rizzo

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     @shmibs @dhfir @georgia @lanodan what are you saying isn't true in my statement?
   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Sunday, 30-May-2021 07:03:28 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     @rizzo @dhfir @georgia @lanodan then i guess not sure what you mean by "third sex"?when it comes to bodies and sexual attributes, could draw a distribution something like this to show where people fall along the "female-ish" vs. "male-ish" range, going by whether they have body traits typically coded as one or the other. a single line of course simplifies things, as there are all sorts of interesting conditions like people who have sry transposed somewhere into a random chromosome or chimaeras with some XX and some XY cells in different parts of their bodies etc. i don't know of anything in here to mark out as being a "third sex", though. people just have interesting and messy bodies, each unique, that tend to cluster into one of two groupsdoodle.png
   • Rizzo (rizzo@letsalllovela.in)'s status on Sunday, 30-May-2021 07:03:29 JST Rizzo

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     @shmibs @dhfir @georgia @lanodan third sex regardless of societal female or societal male role subverts the binary regardless of mention of the binary, because it implies the existence of something in-between. I am aware that probably in the past or in certain tribal societies some of the people in the third sex roles were simply binary trans people who fully saw/see themselves as the opposite gender and just took the third sex role because that was what was in place in society. That’s fine. But the existence of the third sex itself implies something in-between and therefore outside of the binary of 0 and 1.

   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Sunday, 30-May-2021 07:59:16 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     @dhfir @rizzo already talked about social roles above. social binary isn't universal sure; some people groups had or have different social configurations, with three or even six or more roles. two is still the most common, though, so it's not like modern-west invented that or something. some social groups would let people choose which role they wanted to take, so people could say like "i'd rather do the man one than the woman one", but an actual third social role (like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijra_(South_Asia) ) was/is less commonas for physical bodies, those come in a range and no one is a "pure, archetypical female/male", but at the level of statistical trends there are only two big clusters; not really a trend in there anywhere to call a "third sex"
   • Greyperson (dhfir@expired.mentality.rip)'s status on Sunday, 30-May-2021 07:59:17 JST Greyperson

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     @rizzo @shmibs @georgia @lanodan lemme see if I can try. "third sex" was a thing in some cultures, where people who didn't feel like one gender or another. They usually had some kinda religious/spiritual role."Gender binary" isn't really a universal concept.
   • Rizzo (rizzo@letsalllovela.in)'s status on Sunday, 30-May-2021 07:59:18 JST Rizzo

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     @shmibs @dhfir @georgia @lanodan I cant have a discussion with you if you don't understand the basis of what I'm talking about and I don't have the mental energy to cover it in a consistent way at the moment.