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1. augustus pugin ? (augustus@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 04-Jun-2021 04:24:48 JST augustus pugin ?
   publicly stating something that contradicts mainstream narratives is a condition for me to listen to someone's expert opinion. anybody can lie for power and shill the narrative. if there's not a basic amount of dissenting from groupthink then i'm not interested. this is why i value the opinions of people like Luc Montagnier and Kary Mullis
   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Friday, 04-Jun-2021 04:24:46 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     @guizzy @augustus don't see what "believing" or being "smart" has to do with anything. "deserve to suffer and die" shouldn't be applied to anyone
   • an actual bear in a hazmat suit (guizzy@pleroma.guizzyordi.info)'s status on Friday, 04-Jun-2021 04:24:47 JST an actual bear in a hazmat suit

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     @augustus My friends were talking on tuesday how they had no sympathy for “COVID deniers” who died of COVID. I really had to hold my tongue not to tell them how vehemently I disagreed with them there. In my experience, people who blindly contradicts mainstream narratives, even though that’s not my position and it’s not what I believe, are still MUCH smarter than those who blindly believe mainstream narratives.

   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Friday, 04-Jun-2021 05:11:53 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     @guizzy @augustus https://apjjf.org/-Marie-Thorsten/3157/article.html
   • an actual bear in a hazmat suit (guizzy@pleroma.guizzyordi.info)'s status on Friday, 04-Jun-2021 05:11:54 JST an actual bear in a hazmat suit

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     @shmibs @augustus For instance, in the those "person went to visit ISIS territory to show they're not bad, gets killed" stories. I have to confess that my first reaction is usually "ha! Play stupid games, win stupid prizes!". When I stop to think about it, though, it's a callous reaction and not one I should encourage in myself.
   • an actual bear in a hazmat suit (guizzy@pleroma.guizzyordi.info)'s status on Friday, 04-Jun-2021 05:11:55 JST an actual bear in a hazmat suit

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     @shmibs @augustus I know, I totally agree with you.And I don't think my friends TRULY have no sympathy for them. They are probably just eating up the tasty schadenfreude the media is pushing, and haven't stopped to think of those people as, well, people. It's hard to resist; I have to confess that it has happened to me as well.
   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Friday, 04-Jun-2021 05:14:34 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     @guizzy @augustus kinda extremist essay but
   • an actual bear in a hazmat suit (guizzy@pleroma.guizzyordi.info)'s status on Friday, 04-Jun-2021 05:19:39 JST an actual bear in a hazmat suit

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     @shmibs @augustus Still, it's the same kind of tactics used by the media to encourage compliance and belief in their COVID narratives: "See? Bad things happen to bad people who disagree with us! But you're not like them, you're smart and you agree with us!"It's a nasty trick to manipulate, no matter who does it.
   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Friday, 04-Jun-2021 05:19:39 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     @guizzy @augustus mmm. depressing it's so easily accepted, though
   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Friday, 04-Jun-2021 05:46:37 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     @guizzy @augustus welldon't understand it, like being alive is a sportball game or somethingbut if that's an effective strategy for changing peoples' minds, then
   • an actual bear in a hazmat suit (guizzy@pleroma.guizzyordi.info)'s status on Friday, 04-Jun-2021 05:46:38 JST an actual bear in a hazmat suit

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     @shmibs @augustus Anyway, that's why I make the link with belief and being "smart", because an easy way to break the spell is to make them realize that they have nothing to feel "smart" about, that their uninformed opinion having a different outcome than another person's different uninformed opinion is not something to feel smug about.
   • an actual bear in a hazmat suit (guizzy@pleroma.guizzyordi.info)'s status on Friday, 04-Jun-2021 05:46:39 JST an actual bear in a hazmat suit

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     @shmibs @augustus It's a potent cocktail. A mix of schadenfreude and implicit flattery.
   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Friday, 04-Jun-2021 11:04:50 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     @augustus this would be a fair thing to say if the "counter-narrative" wasn't itself also a power/money grab
   • augustus pugin ? (augustus@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 04-Jun-2021 11:04:51 JST augustus pugin ?

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     if power is behind a narrative, then that doesn't give me enough information to know whether the narrative is true or not. all that it tells me is that the narrative is in power's interest. it might be true, but it might not be. and power also has an incentive to bend the truth to keep itself in power. which means i can't reasonably pick out the signal from the noise. whereas if you directly contradict power, then i can know for sure that you're not just saying what power wants and actually might be interested in truth/reality. it's a strange heuristic for people to understand if they haven't yet been introduced to the idea that power exists and might not be trustworthy. plato's cave, mosca's formula's etc.
   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Friday, 04-Jun-2021 11:08:39 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     @augustus not necessarily elite even. plenty of patreon-tier money making to be had in making things up, fear-mongering, and selling useless products
   • augustus pugin ? (augustus@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 04-Jun-2021 11:08:40 JST augustus pugin ?

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     @shmibs everything becomes a grift at scale, sure. that's just the nature of mass movements led by wily elites
   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Friday, 04-Jun-2021 11:23:03 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     @augustus likewise being a "fearless leader of truth" for an audience of 20 people is enough to drive a power-tripjust imagine irc or forum modsfrom "elite" to "disabled hermit", there's a continuum of incentive-to-lie that covers every single person out there who's trying to tell you something. getting-at-truth requires broad nets and being careful, and the actual answer is usually too ambiguous and complicated and filled with uncertainties to be satisfying
   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Friday, 04-Jun-2021 11:43:21 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     @augustus even if most people don't do a thing, a pool of billions is plenty enough to have people willing to risk it, or who just don't care. look at tumblr / 8chan"power" just gives a bigger megaphone and more to lose → being more careful
   • augustus pugin ? (augustus@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 04-Jun-2021 11:43:22 JST augustus pugin ?

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     @shmibs most people aren't incentivised to ruin their public reputations by challenging a narrative of power because they will face massive personal or professional costs in doing so. even if they might get a sweet side gig selling water filters in the process. i think power has a greater ability to influence people away from believing in reality than people without power, and this seems definitional to me. if you have a problem with this then i got nothing for ya. but it was also just a heuristic on whether to listen to someone and what their motivations might be, it doesn't mean david icke is automatically correct about everything
   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Friday, 04-Jun-2021 12:03:59 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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   • augustus pugin ? (augustus@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 04-Jun-2021 12:04:00 JST augustus pugin ?

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     @shmibs oh shmibs
   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Friday, 04-Jun-2021 12:17:23 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     @augustus like have to admit there's a big draw though when you have people like hannity and carlson who can go decades not even trying to hide that they're making random stuff up and acting out a character for their audiences and still be successfulthe only good heuristic for telling if a person is lying is how certainly that person affirms or denies things, not allowing for any wuzzy middlegroundand then there are plenty of people who've spent so long lying to themselves they really start to believe what they say