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What's your explanation for why the lab leak hypothesis was considered also considered a conspiracy theory by the media and government of the USA for over a year
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@p @Moon press because mix of "all the scientists are saying it!" (not all were saying it, only those visible to press people who don't into casual-talky-scientist-area) and then also bad-gambit overcorrection because not wanting jp internment part 2 type mess (which trimp was encouraging) and then most other scientists self-censoring once the "press-approved reality" was decided on because otherwise is a good way to get clobbered (still not all, but those few were ignored by press-approved-land)not convinced here one way or the other though, as haven't been from the start; and maybe it's too long after and too much drama to ever find out
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@p The guy that organized that letter of scientists calling it a conspiracy theory was indirectly responsible for the research that led to the leak and was desperately trying to cover his ass. There was a conspiracy, it literally was the opposite though, it was a conspiracy to shift blame away from that lab.
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@Moon > it was a conspiracy to shift blame away from that lab.Yes, I agree with you. I was thinking about why the press would push that, though.
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@Moon There was a big push to avoid treating the CCP as possibly culpable, in part because Trump suggested that they were.
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@p @Moon ＊trimp patrol
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@shmibs @p > not wanting jp internment part 2 type mess (which trimp was encouraging)wha?> not convinced here one way or the other though, as haven't been from the start; and maybe it's too long after and too much drama to ever find outI believe there's enough circumstantial evidence for the lab leak to take it seriously but yes we're never going to know because China mysteriously shut down access to the lab and shut everyone up.
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@Moon @p that cycle of "every *asia* is a foreign spy, taking notes while doing your hair. and also they're stupid but also cunning, hateful enemy" propaganda stuff -> people being beaten up / killed in the streets -> eventually government forced to intervene somehowmaybe people too easily distracted now for it to actually happen over again fully, but
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@velartrill @p @Moon "bioweapon against china" would be a degree of incompetence it's too scary to think about, honestlynot prepared to accept "employed virologists et al to do a thing (who were willing to cooperate?) without ever bothering to ask about likely outcomes"
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@Moon @shmibs @p afaik the only "evidence" anyone has been able to come up with for the silly "chinese lab leak" hypothesis was that a couple of the lab's thousands of employees were experiencing flu-like symptoms at the height of flu season. ofc, the trump admin did claim that they had ABSOLUTE PROOF that China Diddit (no you can't see it you will never be allowed to see it why do you hate america)meanwhile there is vastly more evidence supporting the conspiracy theory that COVID was an american bioweapon unleashed *against* china. doesn't mean that's true, it's still very out there, but it makes trying to pin this on china look like nationalist wishful thinking, and very hard to take seriously
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@velartrill @p @Moon not ethical. moronicto go spreading something that would either be contained early and be not very significantor else definitely spread to the us and become a "shooting-themselves-in-the-foot" situation
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@shmibs @Moon @p the US has had an active bioweapons program for a very long time, and yes, it employs virologists, and other kinds of microbiologists, and all sorts of people to do create organisms capable of killing people and wrecking economies. none of that is secret, and i'm a little surprised you think american scientists would be so superhumanly ethical that they would refuse to work on such projects.
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