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1. lain (lain@lain.com)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Jul-2021 02:31:52 JST lain

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   @guizzy @RikaDerufu @oxblood @threia would all be much easier if countries / borders weren't so freakin huge
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   • an actual bear in a hazmat suit (guizzy@pleroma.guizzyordi.info)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Jul-2021 02:31:53 JST an actual bear in a hazmat suit

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     @lain @RikaDerufu @oxblood @threia Yeah, I'm not sure though it would help much. Though they are both resources that have a complex relationship to one another, social capital and economic capital are not directly interchangeable.The solution is simple, adjust immigration to levels that that can be managed with the social capital available. And more importantly, resist the temptation to push it through and insult the population when they hit their limit, because all that does is reduce their willingness to accept immigrants further.
   • lain (lain@lain.com)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Jul-2021 02:31:55 JST lain

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     @guizzy @RikaDerufu @oxblood @threia sure, but that's not what i'm talking about. I mean a general immigration fee that everyone has to pay, but then can immigrate without any crazy strings attached (like it works with visas)
   • an actual bear in a hazmat suit (guizzy@pleroma.guizzyordi.info)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Jul-2021 02:31:56 JST an actual bear in a hazmat suit

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     @lain @threia @RikaDerufu @oxblood Many (most?) countries have immigration shortcuts for people investing a certain amount of money
   • lain (lain@lain.com)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Jul-2021 02:31:57 JST lain

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     @threia @RikaDerufu @guizzy @oxblood might be!
   • Threia (threia@cdrom.tokyo)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Jul-2021 02:32:07 JST Threia

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     @lain @guizzy @RikaDerufu @oxblood didnt cyprus do that (more expensive though)
   • lain (lain@lain.com)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Jul-2021 02:32:09 JST lain

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     @guizzy @oxblood @RikaDerufu would be nice if there was something like a price on immigration. you have to pay 50k to immigrate. If you don't have the money, you need to find an investor.
   • an actual bear in a hazmat suit (guizzy@pleroma.guizzyordi.info)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Jul-2021 02:32:10 JST an actual bear in a hazmat suit

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     @oxblood @RikaDerufu I like to frame it under the concept of “social capital”. Social capital is accumulated in a community by shared common experiences between people; everything that makes you look at neighbors and make you think “these are my people”. Solidarity could be a synonym of this aspect of social capital, but I want to emphasis its finite nature which is why I prefer to call it social capital. It’s spent by policy that require individual sacrifice for the community (taxation, draft, restrictions to personal freedoms) and by actions that reduce the ease to which they identify with their community, like “diversity initiatives” and assimilation of immigrants. Once assimilated they are no drain on it, but the act of assimilation requires spending some social capital, usually in proportion of how different from the local population the immigrant is.

     Moments where societies were able to make big social capital spends were after large traumatic shared experiences like wars. Maybe the virus will be one, but our governments seem to be spending all of it as it happens, so I’m not sure there’s going to be any solidarity accumulated by the end of it. Other than that, it’s important to note that since social programs and diversity use up the same “resource”; they are in a sense mutually exclusive. You’ll usually find that societies that can afford generous social safety nets are not diverse (Scandinavia, Japan, etc…), and vice-versa, except in authoritarian or totalitarian countries where social capital doesn’t matter at all until it all blows up into civil war. Countries that try to do both are seeing their social order decay, as people are increasingly unwilling to make concessions to a people they are not identifying with.

     I’m not necessarily opposed to leftist goals, but the refusal to accept that there are limits to societies that are simply due to basic human nature and not due to “evil greedy racist right wing white people” means that they are currently pushing us towards an abyss. And there are also next to them global liberals cheering them on, salivating at the thought of the authoritarian societies they’ll have the opportunity to build on the ruins of destroyed nation states. Which, as authoritarian societies, will appear immune to the effects of social capital debt, until it suddenly isn’t.

   • oxie (oxblood@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Jul-2021 02:32:11 JST oxie

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     @RikaDerufu large scale immigration of poor and unskilled people into poor, underfunded, working class communities, with rising unemployment rates, causes anger from those communities, who woulda guessed
   • RikaDerufu (rikaderufu@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Jul-2021 02:32:19 JST RikaDerufu

     What leftists pathologically don’t get is that people are against immigration not because they do not want to deal with the concept of the other following self referential and narcissistic system of thoughts, but because massive immigration from poor, differently developed countries to intrinsically different countries of the West can result in a deep collective trauma