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1. augustus pugin ? (augustus@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 15-Jul-2021 00:55:46 JST augustus pugin ?
   this talk of feudalism has reminded me Academic Agent has this concept called the Car King about how an-cap could very easily just devolve into feudalism if entrepreneurs take over areas and then employ everybody in the town, and then they start worshipping him like Immortan Joe from Mad Maxhttps://youtu.be/trEHNPoEgQ4?t=1144
   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Thursday, 15-Jul-2021 00:55:40 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     @lain @Publius @augustus suppose i am a poorling, in a region served by certain market services. what's different for me? (it's really a question)
   • lain (lain@lain.com)'s status on Thursday, 15-Jul-2021 00:55:41 JST lain

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     @augustus @Publius it's not like serious ancaps don't realize that they indeed need a judicial system, traffic rules and armies for self-defense. They don't hope that one day everyone will read Rothbard and realize the error of their ways, start respecting the NAP and take drugs together. The difference between involuntary, government provided services and voluntary market-based services is profound, it's not just paying a subscription fee to google police instead of to the state.
   • augustus pugin ? (augustus@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 15-Jul-2021 00:55:42 JST augustus pugin ?

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     @Publius they need to channel their unhappiness over being ruled badly not into various creative ways to escape, but into cultivating their own powah so they can rule themselves how they want.
   • Verified Femtoblogger ✅ (publius@paypig.org)'s status on Thursday, 15-Jul-2021 00:55:45 JST Verified Femtoblogger ✅

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     All anarchy models of society are utopian because it is impossible to maintain without having an authority to prevent any government authority popping up. Which is a contradiction.

     Who will stop someone who wants to be a warlord or someone who wants to be ruled?

     I sympathise with what ancaps want. But they need to be pragmatic and accept that they just need to ensure that they have a government that will be pro-capitalism, even if they still pay some taxes to keep commies out.

   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Thursday, 15-Jul-2021 01:22:33 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     @lain @Publius @augustus hmmordering cheap medication from india is a thing right now. i did it for years and was still poor. and it seems like a fragmented healthcare system ought to necessarily cost more rather than less (at least potentially) because cost-balancing for people with the worse conditions only works at scale with healthy contributers? and one can't buy an emergency room visit / ambulance from india etc, so only-game-in-town monopoly applies...think i can agree on policing (at least for here; can't comment on other places so well), as they don't actually do anything for most people, no obligation to protect anyone or to try to prevent deaths or injury etc, so it's mostly a write-police-reports + collect-money-on-the-highway joboverall though, it kind of feels like a system designed with only "able-bodied" people in mind, letting other people just sort of die when they can't keep up (not that there isn't a lot of that in a "government" model either. just at least the possibility of something different). and also still don't understand why monopolies wouldn't just form again and take over everything
   • lain (lain@lain.com)'s status on Thursday, 15-Jul-2021 01:22:34 JST lain

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     @shmibs @Publius @augustus generally, you shouldn't be as poor as you are under the current system. If there were no import taxes and restrictions on medicine, for example, american diabetics could order their insulin in india for orders of magnitude less then they are currently paying.People in general would be wealthier because wasteful government services like the current police would be more peaceful and work more efficiently (if they weren't people would switch to a different 'police provider'), so resources would be freed for other things.In the end it's not a paradise though, but I do think that the real-world results would be better than what we currently have.
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   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Thursday, 15-Jul-2021 02:39:36 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     @lain @Publius @augustus monopolies held by force is what i meant. what is there to stop those from forming? looking backwards, i see only naturally-formed monopolies being broken up "state" forces, and then later those state forces being paid off by other monopolies to maintain them...and beyond that, i don't think force is actually a requirement for all potential monopolies?, given that some enterprises are inherently more expensive, land-using, etc than others, it should at some point become impossible for any newcomer to compete-----the people will naturally be more charitable angle i don't quite believe, as at scale one runs into the "problem in front of me" vs. "problem out of sight" issue in human psychology. haven't got data or anything for that though-----hospitals and doctors are currently paid to promote and use expensive brand-name drugs over cheaper alternatives. both get more money that way. i don't see how that would change?and personally buying from india, now i'm curious if there was a chance someone might have objected, and if so what would have been done. was it really dangerous? hmmm....
   • lain (lain@lain.com)'s status on Thursday, 15-Jul-2021 02:39:37 JST lain

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     @shmibs @Publius @augustus monopolies are generally created by the state, it's usually prohibitively expensive to keep a monopoly without force. Regarding "only for able-bodied": if you are asking "but who will force other people to do something for me for free", the answer generally would be "nobody", so people would depend on insurance or charity. If you do not believe that the state system is an enormous drain on general wealth, this sounds like it could be worse than the current system. I think that the general standard of living would rise so much that voluntary charitable contributions would more than replace whatever is currently given by the state.Regarding "I already bought my stuff from India", afaik that's generally illegal for many drugs, so why you can do it you risk violence. Also hospitals and doctors can't use it, so their prices will also be more expensive in general.
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   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Friday, 16-Jul-2021 00:46:03 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     @lain @Publius @augustus naturally-occurant would be telecom companies or so, and say the nestle and friends type for control in other sectors, where competition is "possible", but doesn't actually happen, buy up promising smalls on the one side and pay government people on the other. ---that's like a dollar and a half per person?---random people selling random medications is usually not better, and actually setting up a hospital requires, on top of massive investment for building and expensive equipment, expertise training that can't be had from just wherever. can't dissect corpses over the internet. so anyone working in your hospital will either be completely clueless or passed through the same/similar bottleneck as now
   • lain (lain@lain.com)'s status on Friday, 16-Jul-2021 00:46:04 JST lain

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     @shmibs @Publius @augustus > i see only naturally-formed monopolies being broken up "state" forces, and then later those state forces being paid off by other monopolies to maintain themwhat monopolies are you talking about here?> the people will naturally be more charitable angle i don't quite believeamericans alone donate half a billion a year to charity, and that's in addition to all the social programs they are financing with taxes.> hospitals and doctors are currently paid to promote and use expensive brand-name drugs over cheaper alternatives. both get more money that way. i don't see how that would change?hospitals and doctors currently have state-enforced monopoly on practicing medicine. In a completely free system you (as in, you personally) could import the cheap medicine, check the suppliers, start a co-op with other people who need the medicine and sell it for cheaper than the existing hospitals and doctors, thus putting pressure on them to not take cuts as big as they are currently doing under monopoly rules.