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  1. Infected Moomin (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 23-Jul-2021 01:15:23 JST Infected Moomin Infected Moomin
    I don't know what the future will look like but I know it will require humanity to figure out central planning
    In conversation Friday, 23-Jul-2021 01:15:23 JST from shitposter.club permalink
    • バツ子(痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Friday, 23-Jul-2021 01:15:16 JST バツ子(痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; バツ子(痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;
      in reply to
      • lain
      • cell
      @lain @Moon @cell what would a working system look like?
      In conversation Friday, 23-Jul-2021 01:15:16 JST permalink
    • cell (cell@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 23-Jul-2021 01:15:18 JST cell cell
      in reply to
      • lain
      @Moon @lain unfortunately central planning on such a global scale doesn't seem to be something that has any historical precedent; every single nation-state would have to collectively realize and i really do mean realize that we're fucked before they're willing to submit their sovereignity away.
      In conversation Friday, 23-Jul-2021 01:15:18 JST permalink
    • lain (lain@lain.com)'s status on Friday, 23-Jul-2021 01:15:18 JST lain lain
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      • cell
      @cell @Moon the issue isn't sovereignty, worldwide coordination and cooperation happens all the time without any issues. probably most of the things on your desk right now come from these coordinations and aren't made locally or managed by some 'central' agency. The issue here is that it's not obvious how to deal with negative externalities like environmental issues, because there seems to be no market for them / no way to attribute them, so the coordination is impossible. I don't think that's true so I'm not too worried.
      In conversation Friday, 23-Jul-2021 01:15:18 JST permalink
    • Infected Moomin (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 23-Jul-2021 01:15:19 JST Infected Moomin Infected Moomin
      in reply to
      • lain
      @lain it's not in any individual or nation's interest to be the first to try to address environmental damage, so it just gets worse and worse until it can't be ignored anymore, at which point it is unrecoverably damaged. The world has many of these coordination problems and I see less evidence that decentralized planning would solve them than that can't do a high degree of central planning.
      In conversation Friday, 23-Jul-2021 01:15:19 JST permalink
    • lain (lain@lain.com)'s status on Friday, 23-Jul-2021 01:15:21 JST lain lain
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      @Moon people can coordinate without central planning. Where do you see us being doomed?
      In conversation Friday, 23-Jul-2021 01:15:21 JST permalink
    • Infected Moomin (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 23-Jul-2021 01:15:22 JST Infected Moomin Infected Moomin
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      • lain
      @lain then we're doomed. I'm not exaggerating.
      In conversation Friday, 23-Jul-2021 01:15:22 JST permalink
    • lain (lain@lain.com)'s status on Friday, 23-Jul-2021 01:15:23 JST lain lain
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      @Moon that's pretty bad because that's literally impossible
      In conversation Friday, 23-Jul-2021 01:15:23 JST permalink

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