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1. バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Saturday, 09-Oct-2021 14:29:00 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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   @TheMadPirate "objective" (that is, not-a-social-phenomenon) reality has nothing to do with how a bunch of humans choose to phrase something which can be equivalently phrased in multiple ways (a social phenomenon)
   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Saturday, 09-Oct-2021 14:34:21 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     • Fundamentally Broken Person #KillAllCommies :verified:
     @TheMadPirate "human behaviour is a product of our computational substrate" != "my personal opinion is a global truth"
   • Fundamentally Broken Person #KillAllCommies :verified: (themadpirate@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Saturday, 09-Oct-2021 14:34:22 JST Fundamentally Broken Person #KillAllCommies :verified:

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     @shmibs Even human behavior is dictated ( on average ) by the laws of nature, and therefore, for the most part, it is rooted on a biological basis with an added layer of social modding ( that is social environment can push a given “dial” but it can not add or remove any of the biologically set “dials” ). That why reality, even social phenomena, are , statistically speaking, objective in terms of the observations.

   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Saturday, 09-Oct-2021 14:36:21 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     • Fundamentally Broken Person #KillAllCommies :verified:
     @TheMadPirate yes, you can apply "hard science" to study the choices people make, i.e. get a better estimate of the current (changeable) average context for decisions about when to frame an action as positive or negativebut you can't apply "hard science" to *dictate* the choices they make
   • Fundamentally Broken Person #KillAllCommies :verified: (themadpirate@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Saturday, 09-Oct-2021 14:36:22 JST Fundamentally Broken Person #KillAllCommies :verified:

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     @shmibs And yes, I do believe that the methodology of hard science can and should be applied to the study of social phenomena. That’s why we have thriving fields like sociophysics and econophysics.

   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Saturday, 09-Oct-2021 14:39:30 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     • Fundamentally Broken Person #KillAllCommies :verified:
     @TheMadPirate from the beginning, you've been saying there's a clear distinction between positive and negative and that anyone who disagrees with you is wrong
   • Fundamentally Broken Person #KillAllCommies :verified: (themadpirate@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Saturday, 09-Oct-2021 14:39:31 JST Fundamentally Broken Person #KillAllCommies :verified:

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     @shmibs

     yes, you can apply “hard science” to study the choices people make, i.e. get a better estimate of the current (changeable) average context for decisions about when to frame an action as positive or negative

     yeah, that’s the idea of decision making theory in sociophysics.

     but you can’t apply “hard science” to dictate the choices they make

     Who said I was making that argument?. I not only never made that argument, but I argued that it is every person’s responsibility to know if their opinions are based on actual facts or not.

   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Saturday, 09-Oct-2021 20:19:33 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     • Fundamentally Broken Person #KillAllCommies :verified:
     @TheMadPirate just now> I have been saying that there is a clear praxeological way to distinguish whether someone using the term “freedom” is talking about POSITIVE LIBERTY or NEGATIVE LIBERTY.means:"there is a clear way to distinguish positive from negative action by means of the actor's intentionality"to which i've given an objection, phrasing the objection a few different ways, and then we've wrapped around to you saying this again without having responded to the objection(also sorry for being annoying XX
   • Fundamentally Broken Person #KillAllCommies :verified: (themadpirate@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Saturday, 09-Oct-2021 20:19:35 JST Fundamentally Broken Person #KillAllCommies :verified:

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     @shmibs

     and that anyone who disagrees with you is wrong

     When did I EXPLICITLY and DIRECTLY said that ?