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my best friend won't even return my phone calls
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@Moon @stevejail @SpudsRudeEye killing your own kids because your pride was hurtkilling your own kids because hierarchy told you soetc
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@stevejail @SpudsRudeEye by the time you're killing your own kids to demoralize your own people, you kinda already lost.
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@Moon @SpudsRudeEye I don't know what anyone expects from them. What do people think effective resistance is? We've been fetishizing peaceful protest since WW2 but at what point can we say that maybe they fucking should be allowed their Caliphate.It's better than the Globohomo. The Caliphate doesn't deliberately ignore the rape of children by US sponsored politicians.
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@stevejail @SpudsRudeEye I don't care for the extreme willingness to give other people the privilege of being martyrs in their explosions. But I understand what you're saying.
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@SpudsRudeEye @stevejail a couple of the kindest and most generous people I have known were Muslim.
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@Moon @SpudsRudeEye Muslims are actually based and they're right to blow up cars. America is trying to turn them all gay.
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@stevejail @Moon My favorite author, William Burroughs, was deeply involved in the occult in the last ten years of his unusually long life but he always had a special place in his heart for Islam because the people of Morocco took him in and took care of him like he was one of their own when no one else would.
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@SpudsRudeEye @Moon Well, Christianity came out of a heavy Temple tradition. We've just lost most of the Temple details. But its ideas are directly drawn from ancient Royal cults. That's just the nature of what it is when you start drawing principles out of types, despite extensive branding attempts suggesting the contrary.For a more "pure" monotheistic, literal event-based tradition, Islam makes a lot more sense.
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@SpudsRudeEye @Moon But a passage in the Gospel of Phillip gave me a pretty satisfying reconciliation with the "belief" issue.>Those who say they will die first and then rise are in error. If they do not first receive the resurrection while they live, when they die they will receive nothing.In the version of Christ's Baptism the Fathers cite, there's a heavy resurrection imagery with Baptism. I think it might literally be misunderstanding and the "resurrection" is a Baptism or a Merkavah reference, which is something to be imitated, not a bizarre theophany.But that's just an idea I kick around.
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@stevejail @Moon The way you describe it all makes it sound like an occult thing, no offense, that's just the vibe I'm getting.
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@SpudsRudeEye @Moon The way the Church (all of them) present Jesus is cringe. Like he's your dad and your boyfriend all at once but he's invisible.When you actually break down the etymology, that's not really the point. All of his titles go back to the Royal cult. He's a King, or an ideal to live up to. To be Christian, or Christ like, is to live up to a Royal ideal. The atonement is an aspect of that goes back to Solomon's Temple but it's not the only thing.Like, it's not even unanimously clear from the early religious literature that he was physically resurrected. None of the accounts have even a cursory agreement on what actually happened with the resurrection. Those that do give details all contradict each other and were written 100 year or more after the fact. Even the idea that someone crucified would even have a tomb is suspect. Normally they'd be left up to rot and eaten by wild animals.
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@stevejail @Moon I went to Catholic school and completed all the sacraments up to First Holy Communion, but I never got Confirmed which always disappointed my mother. She made me go to catechism for awhile because she wanted me to get confirmed but I didn't understand why I was going so I purposefully failed all the stuff they were giving me and my Protestant Dad tried to help me out and I kept failing on purpose because I hated learning about this guy I never had any faith in even as a small child in Catholic school and eventually I didn't have to go anymore.
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@stevejail @Moon Well I mean, if you like Catholicism but you don't like the stuff about infallible popes and dogmas try the "Old Catholic Church" they're a weird offshoot of the Catholic Church with the same beliefs and practices but their priests are allowed to get married and they answer to no popes.
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@SpudsRudeEye @Moon I'm still stuck with a lot of infallible dogmas that I'm pretty sure aren't true. I don't want to have to lie in my confessions to be a part of a Church. I almost did become a Catholic this year.
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@stevejail @Moon My Dad says Episcopalians are the "wealthy Christians" is that true?
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@SpudsRudeEye @Moon Most people there are well off. It's just the American Anglican Church. Closest thing I can get to the Catholic Church without having to lie about infallible Popes and dogmas.The ACNA is better preserving the Anglican tradition but they aren't big enough yet. Nearest parish is almost 3 hours away in the State Capitol. I already drive 4 hours total every Sunday, don't want to make that 6.
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@Moon @stevejail I was gonna say, I know Presbyterians are kind of liberal but I didn't think they were THAT liberal.
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@SpudsRudeEye @Moon Presbyterians are like every other mainline Protestant denomination where there are Liberal and Conservative ones and you never know which is which until you're there.But politics don't matter too much unless they're shoving it into everything. I'm an Episcopalian and I'm not Liberal at all.
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@SpudsRudeEye @stevejail no not specifically
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@SpudsRudeEye @stevejail I would probably die if I were forced to go to a Presbyterian service. The joint on my way to the grocery stores has one of these signs. One day I am going to replace it with the bigfoot one.
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@Moon @stevejail lol but also holy shit I see that sign all over my town-- is that a Presbyterian thing??
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@SpudsRudeEye Just do it. Literally being around happy people your age is enough to change your attitude. I was going through extreme suicidal depression on a weekly basis for 2 years until I found a Church with relatable men and trad women to talk to.
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@stevejail Well, there is a Presbyterian church near me that I've always been curious about. But like, I grew up (sort of) Catholic and the Presbyterian church is five miles away and the Catholic church is just up the street.
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@SpudsRudeEye Just find one with young people. They usually congregate separately. Or if that's not the case, a lot of big Churches have events for specific age groups.
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@stevejail I guess I could try but like, I don't even believe in myself-- I don't see how going to church where people have a very specific shared belief is going to help me.
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@stevejail But they're all in their 60s
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@SpudsRudeEye Go to Church for new attentive friends.
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