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1. Infected Moomin (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Nov-2021 23:00:29 JST Infected Moomin
   > "People rejecting vaccine mandates do so by choice," he said. "There are many regulations in modern life. All the other vaccines are also mandatory. Clothing is mandated by law. Licenses and related training courses and tests are mandated for driving, cutting hair, practicing medicine. Car insurance is a requirement. Some jobs require uniforms. All of these policies have rational bases. There are consequences for any infraction, just as there is for vaccine refusers." Interesting equivalence
   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Nov-2021 23:00:26 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     @lain @Moon "oh whoops, preexisting conditions? sorry, health insurance is only for people who don't need it"
   • lain (lain@lain.com)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Nov-2021 23:00:27 JST lain

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     @Moon it does works and it works for pretty much any kind of risk taking, but that wouldn't be an issue if there was a free market in health insurance. Of insurances actually noticed that non-vaccinated people were more at risk, they'd raise their prices for them. Already now if you get an international health insurance, you pay more if you smoke or ski, you pay less if you go to the gym every week.
   • Infected Moomin (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Nov-2021 23:00:28 JST Infected Moomin

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     Anyway doesn't this argument work for AIDS? Couldn't you say "if you got AIDS because you didn't wear a condom we're not paying for your extremely expensive medical care"
   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Nov-2021 23:12:21 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     @lain @Moon what is "existing"? if i inherited a malformed heart is it a problem now or if it starts going hypertrophy in a few decades?and what alternative is there when all the "i'm fine" people go do their own thing and the sick and poor people are left to self-fend?
   • lain (lain@lain.com)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Nov-2021 23:12:23 JST lain

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     @shmibs @Moon it's not insurance if it covers an existing problem. you can't crash your car and get insurance for that after the fact, either. That is not to say that people with health issues shouldn't get help, just that it isn't the same thing as insuring a risk.There is also a way to insure this kind risk, by getting insurability insurance for an unborn child, but of course that doesn't change things as they are right now.
   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Nov-2021 23:34:03 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;
     @lain @Moon don't know but that "medicine as free market" still seems to me impossible in principle. or is to say that free market is always an unrealisable idealisation, but in medicine the deviation is especially pronounced, no choice of whether or not to participate and very little transparency or means to shop aroundbrings back stories of prairie-town doctors and social confusion for whether and when they're paid