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@lain book is about how the same thing is happening with groundwater pumping, which is all on owned property
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@shmibs that nobody owned the buffalo grounds
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@lain running out, lucas bessire
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@shmibs what book?
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@Moon @lain mmm, some things kinda can't be easily owned maybe is good take-away. migrating megafauna needing to travel, complex ecosystems with fuzzy edges that fall apart if you put up a fence, groundwater reserves that drop for everyone when you pump on just your own land
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@lain @shmibs they're migratorythere was a conflict between ranchers and farmers because farmers fenced off land which impeded livestock movement
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@lain @Moon how do you have one entity own kansas and not be "big government"?
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@shmibs @Moon yeah, it seems that the ownership of the groundwater reserves is done exactly the wrong way in this case. One entity should own all the connected groundwater to eliminate the tragedy-of-commons situation
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@lain @Moon mmm, but controlling the water means controlling where people can live and what they can do on the ground above, since everything requires access to that water, farms and cities; and then having some large club means of enforcement that people can't just ignorelike how does one entity control the entire colorado river from source down into mexico. even current government can't manage that, state squabbling
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@shmibs @Moon The property rights to the groundwater don't need to be the same as the property rights to the land above it. The entity also doesn't need to do anything else than manage the ground water, they don't need to also bomb people on the other side of the planet.
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@lain @Moon take any drop at all causes damages. do i enter into a contract with every single person north of me on the river? and what incentive does that person north have to care and reciprocate?
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@shmibs @Moon in cases where this isn't easily possible the next best thing is to recognize damages done the property. That is, me emptying the aquifers at my hole will reduce the water for everyone with access to the same aquifer, so they can sue me for damages. This is generally how things like factories putting sewage into rivers were dealt with before environmental regulations (and when it didn't work out, it was often because government gave special polluting rights to those factories to keep them around, violating the rights of others)
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@shmibs @Moon i'll read the relevant literature (The Case for Privatizing Oceans and Rivers, block) and agitate once i'm smarter :)
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@lain @Moon kinda hope to be convinced ????
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