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@shmibs try magic mushrooms. specifically, too much of them
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@Moon mushroom was nice, but didn't seem religion-y? though has been like > 10 years since then
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@Moon what *is* it though; like feels how?
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@shmibs yeah I think that some people just aren't predisposed to religious experiences. like, I don't think I could take them and NOT have a religious experience. it is VERY powerful for me
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@Moon @shmibs Go to Scotland, the highlands specifically. That place is magical. Will make you wonder if that is why your ancestors believed in magic and religion and all sorts. Just something about that place. Maybe Stonehenge too, hard to not feel a part when you visit ancient things.
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@sim @Moon what is feel a part?
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@shmibs I could sense connections between everything, like I was watching a movie and I could see a meaning behind every picture hanging on the wall in a scene, a character wearing a hat by the water became a symbol of a swan, water, music, everything. I left with my girlfriend and took a walk with my dog and I could feel the meaning of just everything pouring through me.
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@Moon oh hmm, well maybe can slightly relate? except rather than there being some kind of "meaning in things", such state here feels like looking at self kinda dispassionately and being "huh, that's interesting". like meditate, but less coherentso maybe religion-y feeling stuff too, rather than seeing self as self, it's like projecting self onto the world and interpreting as some universal-truth?
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@Moon like there is a feeling when in flat desert, big sky overhead, spin around a bit and then lay down and feel "swiftly tilting planet"but it's not like "i am the universe"-y, but rather sort of looking at the thing and noticing it
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@sim @Moon i've been to a lot of churches, big and smallfavourite are old eastern europe orthodox places, do look pretty. not really any feeling stuff but
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@shmibs @Moon Also would actually recommend walking into a cathedral or church that is old. Listen to that profound silence as you gaze up at the stain glass or the altar. That is the reverence that is spiritual and profound and peaceful. I think that is what moves people.
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@shmibs @Moon More feeling a part of I mean. There is a sense of grounding in certain places. That's the magic. That is the feeling you chase. Or a sense of belonging. Religion is ancient or old, it taps into that part of us.
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@lain @Moon @sim don't hate it. rather religion, at least abrahamic stuff, is terrifying because bad memories. look 仏教・神道・whatever stuff, though, and it's kind of just "huh, that's interesting" or "oh, pretty"
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@sim @Moon @shmibs better try LSD, churches only work if you don't hate religion
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@lain @Moon @sim ok, now this is getting confusing X
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@shmibs @Moon @sim our key is Christianity, I don't think we can use Buddhism or Shinto to get there.
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