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@crunklord420 yeah all the issues in physics and academia aside, the whole "I'm too cool for academia but have developed a grand unified theory and solved physics, it's super secret though, you can't see it" indicates he's a hack
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@Moon @crunklord420 @parker eh, dunno, penrose manages to be both gullible-and-a-bit-insane-attention-liker and nobel-laureate-who-has-done-lots-of-significant-things, and guy did manage maths phd somehow. could be a hint of something interesting (relevant to "unified field theory" or not) hiding behind self-importance and can't-into-english spaghetti-saladare a lot of weirds like that, with severe personality disorders and self-absorption but also some useful ideas in there. newton was definitely that, and even wolfram has managed to spit out some pretty pictures and useful terminology
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@parker @crunklord420 > Weinstein released a draft paper of Geometric Unity during his April 1, 2021 guest appearance on The Joe Rogan Experience, a popular podcast. The paper qualifies that the author "is not a physicist" but an "entertainer" and a podcast host.lol
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@Moon @crunklord420 Brother of Brett Weinstein, some academic who got popular after getting into some kerfuffle, being opposed to identity politics at his university. Both brothers have been on JRE
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@parker @crunklord420 who?
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@parker @crunklord420 @Moon mostly having other people poke at things and then putting his name on it, but mmm
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@shmibs @Moon @crunklord420 right, wasn't Wolfram unifying physics with graph theory and cellular automata last I checked?
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@Moon @crunklord420 @parker mmm, saying only that "crackpot" and "productive" aren't exclusive. kind of opposite actually, at least when comes to "new ideas". wilfully ignorant person goes on about dozen things that seem obviously stupid to people with relevant experience (curies going seances or penrose trying to prove hypercomputers or whatever) but then end up having something really useful one slot over
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@shmibs @crunklord420 @parker sounds like he didn't even know what his peers in that research were doing though.
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@Moon @crunklord420 @parker "assertive 'free-thinkers' who don't realise or care they're being dumb" end up catching things fall outside where others are looking
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@Moon @crunklord420 @parker gödel was magical-thinking platonist and actually insane
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@Moon scientific community is kind of a modern phenomenonand sagan was weedmani'm kinda writing essay about this actually, the whole "religion vs. science" thing as an invented narrative that both sides have had play in reinforcing, sort of inventing each as camps of power through both drawing boundaries and then borrowing from each other (intelligent design / humanism) while trying to stamp out all the happy science / homeopathy style heretical syncretisms in the "superstition and magic" no-man's-land. and sagan was something like an inquisitor / televangelistused to be no such thing as either science or religion, and both had to be imported to non-euro lands when euros contacted them. and now still they're kind of thin labels, since underneath the dogma people are all still on about their personal mix of whatever beliefs. break any scientist or priest piñata and you'll see some funny beliefs come out...and then there are protestant revolution to "post truth" comparisons to make...still personally side mostly with the "science" camp though, even if it has problems that need constant maintenance; no such thing as magic scientific method, just some squabbling people, neat ideals, sometimes dogma that needs doing away with, and eventual ontological relativism throwing everything doubt
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@shmibs @crunklord420 @parker What do you think about Carl Sagan because he really shit all over outside-the-box thinkers
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@Moon mmm mmm. think there is some re-thinking about it ought to be done, though (but then maybe it needs the ceremony and costumes and appearance of hierarchy and order and "consensus" for sake of the good PR so that it can keep existing at all. though maybe after last few years that's lost cause?
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@shmibs I think the scientific community is a more useful construct than continuing to have everything in one pot even though I admit there are disadvantages to that I think the advantages outweigh it.
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@Moon that's kinda one thing i did like; optimism is catchy, even billy-graham-alternative ????
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@shmibs I didn't like that Sagan was so sure that there was intelligent life somewhere in the universe we just will never see or hear from them because of the spatial and temporal distances between us.
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@Moon how soon it appears after earth stopped being molten-rock-ball is also kinda relevant, but yeh; it's all hand-waving only, who knows
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@shmibs the only evidence for aliens is the fact that life happened once somewhere so it's not completely crazy
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@shmibs I am not interested in aliens only :BUTTS:
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