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1. Parker Banks (parker@leafposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Dec-2021 21:56:05 JST Parker Banks
   The only trading indicator worth paying attention to.
   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Dec-2021 21:55:51 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     @lain @bot @p @parker in context of state-exists, policing causes the violence stuff sure. unregulated wouldn't reduce the scamming and cutting with other random drug or filler, though (see vitamin / supplement market(...and remove state entirely means some other violent bully entity appears
   • lain (lain@lain.com)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Dec-2021 21:55:53 JST lain

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     @p @bot @parker > Street drugs involve a lot of violence and extortion because they don’t have a central authority to keep things in order. okay that triggers me. The reason that street drugs involve lots of violence is not that there's no strong enough state fixing this. It's that there's too much state / police. If you made a (safer) store for selling your drugs, they'd bust it.
   • lain (lain@lain.com)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Dec-2021 21:55:54 JST lain

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     @p @bot @parker > We’re not trying to overthrow the establishment and collapse the nation-state here.ummm
   • p (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Dec-2021 21:55:55 JST p

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     @bot @parker > crypto, but I am absolutely certain that it is a fake and gay scam.Since the 1970s, so is every currency. Money is essentially an abstract token representing value. The only question is where you put your faith: the petrodollar (the foundation of the entire global currency system, held together by the good faith of the US government and OPEC; I simplify but not much), or the buttscoin (held together by weird hackers and Chinese miners). Obviously, I trust weird hackers to the ends of the earth and I hate the government, so I try to use one instead of the other.This is as good a description of the idea as any: https://elaineou.com/2017/08/03/a-hundred-years-of-crypto-anarchy/
   • bot :unverified: (bot@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Dec-2021 21:56:02 JST bot :unverified:

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     @p @parker I'm sure you guys know more than I do about crypto, but I am absolutely certain that it is a fake and gay scam. Just as an example, a tranny surgeon is probably an expert in their craft, but that doesn't mean they're capable of seeing the forest for the "trees".
   • bot :unverified: (bot@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Dec-2021 21:56:03 JST bot :unverified:

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     @parker @p wtf are you guys talking about? What is DAI?
   • p (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Dec-2021 21:56:03 JST p

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     @bot @parker DAI is an attempt to create a coin that is pegged to the USD without being backed by USD. It almost always stays within 0.1% of the USD, but there are small fluctuations caused by people buying or selling en masse, so if it's trading at $1.001, then that means people are selling coins. It corrects itself when the rate stabilizes.
   • Parker Banks (parker@leafposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Dec-2021 21:56:04 JST Parker Banks

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     @p Yeah, variance in DAI sounds useful, though wouldn't it be a bit of a lagging indicator. Phases of the moon however, you can align your portfolio to best harness the lunar energies.
   • p (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Dec-2021 21:56:05 JST p

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     @parker I like to look at Dai. It's easy to move whatevercoin into it, people do that a lot, and it tries to stay pegged to the USD, so it very reliably moves against the market.
   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Dec-2021 22:01:55 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     @lain @bot @p @parker customers don't care about lab reports, and they give 5-star reviews to the orgone-and-acupuncture manpeople regularly kill or injure themselves using whatever random unregulated herbal supplement they find on the shelf, but nobody ever questions it because "bio"
   • lain (lain@lain.com)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Dec-2021 22:01:56 JST lain

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     @shmibs @bot @p @parker it would indeed reduce the scamming and cutting because customers could insist on a lab report and customer reviews. This isn't a theory either, see european legal lsd (1v-lsd) or US legal thc variants (delta 8, delta 10)
   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Dec-2021 22:06:34 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     @lain @bot @p @parker unregulated == teenagers robotripping and buying bath salts, but at scale
   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Dec-2021 22:49:15 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     @p @bot @lain @parker don't mean like that. state bans thing and you get unregulated black market to replace itfriend here was od-ing coke as 16-old as well; not much to do for that except education and destigmatising (replace ban with regulation could help there, though still more work to do get parents not freak out so children don't scare talk to them (and maybe removes some the draw do it that way too, rebellious stufffrom ban to regulate can do something more about the cutting weed with random substance problem, thoughneeds oversight market because relying on customers to sort it out doesn't work when most customers aren't "savvy" at all (and then there's big marketing business with strong interest in making them less sopictured, me & stateRESISTANCE IS FUTILE.jpg
   • p (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Dec-2021 22:49:16 JST p

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     @shmibs @bot @lain @parker > unregulated == teenagers robotripping and buying bath salts, but at scale The only time I smoked marijuana habitually was as a bored teenager. The only friend I have that went to rehab for cocaine picked up the habit when he was about 16. We've got that dystopia already, and "completely illegal felony" is the maximum amount of regulation that you can get.
   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Dec-2021 07:07:13 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     @lain @bot @p @parker @ademan meant was rather that people aware of and using those types of drugs now are not typical user, skewing heavily nerd (like the two small-boy undergrads used to know running a business as an interface for normal people to silk road stuff (and were dangerously messy; had to come over help clean that apartment several times >_<normal people care more to hear from shopping-guru or faith-healer or whoever than the nerds in coats with pipets and chemicals
   • lain (lain@lain.com)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Dec-2021 07:07:14 JST lain

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     @ademan @bot @p @parker @shmibs i didn't invent the lab reports as some imagined outcome of an ancap future, these are things that are happening right now. both the legal thc and lsd variants generally come with lab reports from reputable labs, because people do care. Not being able to know if your drugs are clean are the biggest fear of most users.
   • Ademan (ademan@thebag.social)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Dec-2021 07:07:15 JST Ademan

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     @shmibs @bot @p @lain @parker

     customers don’t care about lab reports

     Sure, in a world where 99% of safety evaluation has been systematically outsourced to unquestionable authorities. People drive more carefully without seatbelts on, why would you assume consumer behavior would remain identical?

   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Dec-2021 07:57:14 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     @lain @bot @p @parker @ademan seems too much money in misleading people for such
   • lain (lain@lain.com)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Dec-2021 07:57:15 JST lain

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     @ademan @bot @p @parker @shmibs i also wouldn't expect every person to check lab reports for themselves, but i would expect shops to build up a reputation to check lab reports, so that after some time people would now 'if you buy there, you won't die'. same reason people go to mcdonald's in foreign countries if they don't know what to eat.
   • Ademan (ademan@thebag.social)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Dec-2021 07:57:16 JST Ademan

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     @lain @bot @p @parker

     Oh I know they exist, but @shmibs seems to think the average person is incapable of evaluating safety themselves, but my point is the average person has been trained their whole life not to evaluate safety themselves.

   • Ademan (ademan@thebag.social)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Dec-2021 08:03:36 JST Ademan

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     @lain @bot @p @parker @shmibs

     more importantly, how do you mislead people on safety without utterly destroying your reputation? (without a legal monopoly on safety determinations like government agencies enjoy)

   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Dec-2021 08:03:36 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     @ademan @bot @p @lain @parker sell them bleach to cure autism or whatever
   • lain (lain@lain.com)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Dec-2021 08:03:38 JST lain

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     @shmibs @bot @p @parker @ademan there's more money in living people than in dead people, even if the state of the world convinced you otherwise
   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Dec-2021 08:03:54 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     @lain @bot @p @parker @ademan more money in treat than cure, more money in super-cheap placebo that accidentally kills people occasionally than in cure etc
   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Dec-2021 08:06:42 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     @lain @bot @p @parker @ademan mmm, but not labelled as a cure-allpart of "regulation" is the "you can't lie about what you're selling" partand guess don't buy the "regulation will naturally arise without state" since even with state the private actors are mostly winning
   • lain (lain@lain.com)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Dec-2021 08:06:44 JST lain

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     @shmibs @bot @p @parker @ademan bleach can be bought in every supermarket
   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Dec-2021 08:10:24 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     @lain @bot @p @parker @ademan there is more money in lying to people than in telling the truth
   • lain (lain@lain.com)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Dec-2021 08:10:26 JST lain

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     @shmibs @bot @p @parker @ademan of course you can lie, they put 'a good source of protein!' on everything in the US.
   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Dec-2021 08:24:56 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     @lain mmm, really can't see where you can get other side from, though, like> find vulnerable market (have some problem and hoping to fix> make people doubt themselves and whatever authorities> produce unsafe but extremely cheap thing and sell it for huge profitsconvince internet moms there's conspiracy hiding autism cure and what they really need is to feed their kids your miracle cure (diluted bleach), and they purchase it and do your marketing for youconvince entire country that it's vitamin-d deficient (by paying off labs and tv celebrities) and you have massive new market for unnecessary supplements, and doesn't matter they're maybe contaminated because people can't tell apart the 20 local brands in one pharmacy, most of which are just ineffective, so fine to lower production standardspartner with doctors to sell your particular brand of drug or hip replacement or whatever and patient doesn't know any better, gets sold the new or alternative treatment without any context. more money for you, more money for doctor, more problems and deaths for patients
   • lain (lain@lain.com)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Dec-2021 08:24:57 JST lain

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     @shmibs @bot @p @parker @ademan see, this is our disagreement
   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Dec-2021 08:27:11 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     @lain the lying opens up new markets and allows higher profit margins in the old ones