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1. こおろぎ Grillchen! (khaosgrille@fedi.absturztau.be)'s status on Thursday, 23-Dec-2021 00:59:40 JST こおろぎ Grillchen!
   wait those 80 cents tests cost 25$ in US?
   • Infected Moomin (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 23-Dec-2021 00:59:20 JST Infected Moomin

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     • Lukas
     @lain @khaosgrille @lukas isn't it low in canada because of collective bargaining
   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Thursday, 23-Dec-2021 00:59:20 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     @Moon @khaosgrille @lain @lukas here's bookamericansickness.jpg
   • lain (lain@lain.com)'s status on Thursday, 23-Dec-2021 00:59:22 JST lain

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     @khaosgrille @lukas mutual aid, charity, access to cheaper doctors (because they are less experienced, for example), less expensive insurances (because they only insure catastrophic situations, for example). Health services right now are much, much more expensive than they need to be. Insulin in the US costs 10 times more than in canada, and it's even cheaper in india or mexico. So why do people (or pharmacies, for that mattter) not just import the meds from india or mexico? you know the answer.
   • こおろぎ Grillchen! (khaosgrille@fedi.absturztau.be)'s status on Thursday, 23-Dec-2021 00:59:23 JST こおろぎ Grillchen!

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     • Lukas
     @lain @lukas so how would poor people get insured?
   • lain (lain@lain.com)'s status on Thursday, 23-Dec-2021 00:59:24 JST lain

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     @khaosgrille @lukas i like it when people help others, i don't like it when they are forced to do so.
   • こおろぎ Grillchen! (khaosgrille@fedi.absturztau.be)'s status on Thursday, 23-Dec-2021 00:59:25 JST こおろぎ Grillchen!

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     @lain @lukas i like social aspects or our states. the problem is the state is really bad at everything... but the idea is nice
   • lain (lain@lain.com)'s status on Thursday, 23-Dec-2021 00:59:27 JST lain

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     @khaosgrille @lukas would be nice
   • こおろぎ Grillchen! (khaosgrille@fedi.absturztau.be)'s status on Thursday, 23-Dec-2021 00:59:28 JST こおろぎ Grillchen!

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     @lain @lukas imagine an insurance for those who are vegan and do sport and do not smoke or drink! like 50€ or so per months
   • lain (lain@lain.com)'s status on Thursday, 23-Dec-2021 00:59:29 JST lain

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     @khaosgrille @lukas > pay hundreds of euro every month for decades> at 60 get diabetes> still pay hundres of euro every month, but get insulin paid by your insuranceI don't like these free things that i have to pay so much for.
   • こおろぎ Grillchen! (khaosgrille@fedi.absturztau.be)'s status on Thursday, 23-Dec-2021 00:59:30 JST こおろぎ Grillchen!

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     @lukas it is free here
   • Lukas (lukas@norrebro.space)'s status on Thursday, 23-Dec-2021 00:59:39 JST Lukas

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     @khaosgrille dont look up insulin prices

   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Thursday, 23-Dec-2021 01:07:05 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     • Lukas
     @Moon @khaosgrille @lain @lukas remember it has a few chapters of personal advice (how to avoid massive debt and unnecessary dangerous treatments and things) and then comparisons to rest-of-earth-that-has-lower-prices, which is lots of places with slightly different strategies. not so easy as single fix because so many people all acting to make it bad
   • Infected Moomin (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 23-Dec-2021 01:07:06 JST Infected Moomin

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     @shmibs @khaosgrille @lain @lukas give me the ending, how do we fix it
   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Thursday, 23-Dec-2021 03:04:21 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     @lain @khaosgrille @lukas charity doesn't work (say as many-times charity worker), and people most at risk moreoftentimes don't parents(problems of charity are of course that it doesn't cover most people who need, but also it's not preventative, so much damage is done by the time it appears and cleanup is more expensive, and also requires more work on the part of the person who needs, run around chasing down charity-opportunity when too sick to functionsometimes working together is better for everyone. problem for that person indirectly becomes problem for everyone else until things crumble
   • lain (lain@lain.com)'s status on Thursday, 23-Dec-2021 03:04:23 JST lain

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     @khaosgrille @lukas no, i would abolish all state involvement in healthcare. People can get insurance if they want. "but what about people who are born sick? no insurance would take them" - parents can get insurability insurance. "but what if they don't" - charity, voluntary help. "but i want people to be forced to help" <- if that's you then that's a disagreement we won't resolve.but remember, i do think that healthcare is much more expensive than it has to be.
   • こおろぎ Grillchen! (khaosgrille@fedi.absturztau.be)'s status on Thursday, 23-Dec-2021 03:04:24 JST こおろぎ Grillchen!

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     • Lukas
     @lain @lukas so u would prepare a single insurance system for all so everyone in in there from the beginning?
   • lain (lain@lain.com)'s status on Thursday, 23-Dec-2021 03:04:26 JST lain

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     @khaosgrille @lukas beside the voluntary/involuntary aspect, an insurance is something that hedges against an uncertain future. You get car insurance in case you crash your car. You can't crash your car and then get the insurance later, but that's how our 'health insurance' works, you can join any time for any price. Whether that's a good system or not is a different topic, but it isn't insurance.
   • こおろぎ Grillchen! (khaosgrille@fedi.absturztau.be)'s status on Thursday, 23-Dec-2021 03:04:27 JST こおろぎ Grillchen!

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     • Lukas
     @lain @lukas wha is the difference for u?
   • lain (lain@lain.com)'s status on Thursday, 23-Dec-2021 03:04:29 JST lain

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     @khaosgrille @lukas you prefer involuntary aid. health insurance in germany (and most other collective health systems) isn't insurance, it's a prepaid subsidized health plan.
   • こおろぎ Grillchen! (khaosgrille@fedi.absturztau.be)'s status on Thursday, 23-Dec-2021 03:04:30 JST こおろぎ Grillchen!

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     @lain @lukas mhh i think i prefer the collective welfare system if thats the option
   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Thursday, 23-Dec-2021 03:05:29 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     • Lukas
     @lain @khaosgrille @lukas (generally not preventative, i.e. more good-person-points in helping what's already broken
   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Thursday, 23-Dec-2021 03:12:41 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     • Lukas
     @khaosgrille @lain @lukas ＊many times worker and some times recipient