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  1. バツ子(痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Friday, 07-Jan-2022 05:26:01 JST バツ子(痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; バツ子(痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;
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    @lain let's try play though; does seem fun (after head stops eing barfy
    In conversation Friday, 07-Jan-2022 05:26:01 JST from tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu permalink
    • lain (lain@lain.com)'s status on Friday, 07-Jan-2022 05:26:03 JST lain lain
      There's a genre of 'game theory' articles especially on lesswrong and other rationalist sites where they'll come up with some insane ruleset to generate some strange outcome, but then try to say that it's somehow a deep insight into how the world works.See for example "The hostile takeover part 2" on https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/A2Qam9Bd9xpbb2wLQ/game-theory-as-a-dark-art.The idea is that you control 1 of 5 directors on the board. Here's what your director is supposed to 'propose' to the others:> Your lackey proposes as follows: “I move that we vote upon the following: that if this motion passes unanimously, all members of the of the Board resign immediately and are given a reasonable compensation; that if this motion passes 4-1 that the Director who voted against it must retire without compensation, and the four directors who voted in favor may stay on the Board; and that if the motion passes 3-2, then the two 'no' voters get no compensation and the three 'yes' voters may remain on the board and will also get a spectacular prize - to wit, our company's 51% share in your company divided up evenly among them.”Now when you follow the logic (see on the site) everyone will vote 'yes'. But this is nonsense. The whole story is that the 4 other directors hate the 'evil' directors guts and want to prevent any kind of takeover. Yet somehow a guy doing a 'this angel always tells the truth and only one of them wears a red hat' game can trick them into all resigning? He'd be laughed out of the room.Pic related, the guy probably became a magic card designer.
      In conversation Friday, 07-Jan-2022 05:26:03 JST permalink

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        Game Theory As A Dark Art - LessWrong
        One of the most charming features of game theory is the almost limitless depths of evil to which it can sink. Your garden-variety evils act against your values. Your better class of evil, like Voldemort and the folk-tale version of Satan, use your greed to trick you into acting against your own values, then grab away the promised reward at the last moment. But even demons and dark wizards can only do this once or twice before most victims wise up and decide that taking their advice is a bad idea. Game theory can force you to betray your deepest principles for no lasting benefit again and again, and still leave you convinced that your behavior was rational. Some of the examples in this post probably wouldn't work in reality; they're more of a reductio ad absurdum of the so-called homo economicus who acts free from any feelings of altruism or trust. But others are lifted directly from real life where seemingly intelligent people genuinely fall for them. And even the ones that don't work with real people might be valuable in modeling institutions or governments. Of the following examples, the first three are from The Art of Strategy; the second three are relatively classic problems taken from around the Internet. A few have been mentioned in the comments here already and are reposted for people who didn't catch them the first time. The Evil Plutocrat You are an evil plutocrat who wants to get your pet bill - let's say a law that makes evil plutocrats tax-exempt - through the US Congress. Your usual strategy would be to bribe the Congressmen involved, but that would be pretty costly - Congressmen no longer come cheap. Assume all Congressmen act in their own financial self-interest, but that absent any financial self-interest they will grudgingly default to honestly representing their constituents, who hate your bill (and you personally). Is there any way to ensure Congress passes your bill, without spending any money on bribes at all? Yes. Simply tell all Congr

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