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1. バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Sunday, 17-Apr-2022 14:17:08 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;
   @shibao oh, can't do one at all here, cofe, bad shaking and heart wants to explode and nausea and sweats and stuffother stuff, though; dunno, headspace really matters too suppose, as much as actual balance of what's being drunkmost interesting about drug, though, is just as kind of introspection into how perception works, time distortions and pattern-filling hallucinations as like edge cases to reverse-engineer encodings. so then experience a few times and the novelty kinda wears off
   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Monday, 18-Apr-2022 00:52:58 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     • georgia
     @georgia @shibao that's kind of what i meant, re: denormalising, that everything we experience is constructed "hallucination" of some kind, no sharp boundary line between "dream" and "reality", and so important to not face-trust perceptions and can learn more about how they work to make better use etcas for connection-making, though, can of course be useful for escaping depression / trauma spiral type patterns, jitter you across to another hill to climb, but explore-exploit is always a trade-off and most those connections are going to be spurious and so counterproductive if you're already way high up somewhere well optimised
   • georgia (georgia@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Monday, 18-Apr-2022 00:53:00 JST georgia

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     @shmibs @shibao alteration of space and time are peripheral to the experience as are all aberrations of sensorial phenomena. during a trip one makes internal connections in their memories and in the world, and many revelations about the self can occur. it changes the way you think about consciousness itself. that's why i think people fear drugs deep down, why "it fucks you up forever" stories predominate the conversation about them. you realize that baseline consciousness itself is a state and it no longer feels self evidently "normal" or "natural" merely by being the one you're in most frequently. hedonistic trippers have made the pretty colors what psychedelics are known for but just my last two trips have changed my relationship to myself and the world completely. they are called entheogens for a reason.... i think people fear them for that reason, too. just my take.
   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Monday, 18-Apr-2022 01:12:30 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     • georgia
     @georgia @shibao spurious with respect to one's desired goal, sure. so if one's desired outcome is just perpetual "duge, wow" then i guess it's idealand for me no, would rather not be "basal state" because it's (evolved to be) very misleading about the actual-world-out-there, and personally enjoy finding out about / building as coherent a world model of that outside as possible. and for that purpose drug can be useful initially, revealing assumptions, but after that point it's counterproductive, making it difficult to maintain coherence and encouraging overfitting on irrelevant data
   • georgia (georgia@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Monday, 18-Apr-2022 01:12:32 JST georgia

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     @shmibs @shibao what makes a connection spurious? can it be right or wrong as long as it is useful and meaningful? and is optimized "best to parse consensus reality"? the mind can only be and "efficient" or "inefficient" mechanism if you have a certain task for it, which to you it seems is to exist in basal state, perceiving only what others do, as if nothing else is real.