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1. thatguyoverthere ن (thatguyoverthere@charlestown.social)'s status on Monday, 18-Apr-2022 01:51:39 JST thatguyoverthere ن

   Had the crimes revealed by WikiLeaks been prosecuted and redressed in good faith, it might then have been possible and appropriate to initiate a balanced discussion about the accountability of whistleblowers and journalists. But when murderers, torturers and their superiors go unpunished, whereas non-violent truth-tellers like Chelsea Manning, Julian Assange and Edward Snowden are prosecuted and threatened with sanctions normally reserved for perpetrators of the most serious crimes, then any presumption of good faith on the part of the authorities as been effectively disproved.

   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Monday, 18-Apr-2022 01:51:15 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     @thatguyoverthere @Moon @lelouchebag @sj_zero @yes trimp won because he had past years experience with acting for lowest-common-denominator, while the usual-suspects are too far off in rich-and-detached land to be any good at pretending to caredoesn't matter all he wants from life is please-look-at-me and money-good if he tells some rude jokes, gives people a few things they want to hear, and pokes fun at other rich people while being himself no-shame impervious to the same
   • thatguyoverthere ن (thatguyoverthere@charlestown.social)'s status on Monday, 18-Apr-2022 01:51:16 JST thatguyoverthere ن

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     • Lelouche ????
     @lelouchebag @Moon @sj_zero @yes yeah that's the thing. It's a long running pattern which I think trump managed to break through the first time simply because they weren't prepared to cheat enough. I think the two primary candidates have historically been two sides of one coin
   • Lelouche ???? (lelouchebag@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 18-Apr-2022 01:51:17 JST Lelouche ????

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     @Moon @thatguyoverthere @sj_zero @yes >using 2000Ehh just see 2016 for a more recent example. They backpedaled from "russian hackers" to "russian misinformation campaigns" pretty conveniently for some reason
   • Infected Moomin (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 18-Apr-2022 01:51:22 JST Infected Moomin

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     @thatguyoverthere @sj_zero @yes reminder that in 2000 nearly every democrat was convinced that voting was rigged and voting machines riggable, yet years later despite nothing being done about it now you are told that rigging a national election is impossible. Fuck all these people.
   • thatguyoverthere ن (thatguyoverthere@charlestown.social)'s status on Monday, 18-Apr-2022 01:51:23 JST thatguyoverthere ن

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     @yes @Moon @sj_zero it's possible for sure. I was already doubtful of the integrity of our elections before all of that (as was congress, the media, and the people), but somehow it became the most trustworthy election of all time ????
   • yes (yes@social.handholding.io)'s status on Monday, 18-Apr-2022 01:51:24 JST yes

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     america is that retarded yes.
   • thatguyoverthere ن (thatguyoverthere@charlestown.social)'s status on Monday, 18-Apr-2022 01:51:25 JST thatguyoverthere ن

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     @yes @Moon @sj_zero do you think he really got 80+ million votes though? I still have only met a handful of real people that support him. I'm sure they aren't alone, but I don't know how to swallow that many votes considering he basically campaigned from his basement with the exception of a few apparently very low attendance events.
   • yes (yes@social.handholding.io)'s status on Monday, 18-Apr-2022 01:51:26 JST yes

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     he is an extreme legitimate existential threat to the war machine, the CIA propaganda was deployed, the leftoid NPC class ate it the fuck up and voted for biden because they are retarded. now a new generation has been screwed over by being told to vote for the "good guys".
   • yes (yes@social.handholding.io)'s status on Monday, 18-Apr-2022 01:51:28 JST yes

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     @sj_zero @Moon @thatguyoverthere did i mention, de-escalation on the korean peninsula AND almost pacifying the israeli conflicts? bruh.
   • yes (yes@social.handholding.io)'s status on Monday, 18-Apr-2022 01:51:29 JST yes

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     @sj_zero @thatguyoverthere @Moon they did, the orange man. "but he is racist" or something, yet he cares about black americans more than Obama ever did. "but he is xenophobic" yet he was the first president to not start a new conflict in 70 years. "but he is sexist" yet american women are mostly not respectable to begin with.
   • sj_zero (sj_zero@social.fbxl.net)'s status on Monday, 18-Apr-2022 01:51:30 JST sj_zero

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     Unfortunately. Imagine if one of the parties could end up with a Thomas Jefferson in charge. Would change the world.
   • yes (yes@social.handholding.io)'s status on Monday, 18-Apr-2022 01:51:31 JST yes

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     @sj_zero @thatguyoverthere @Moon funding the war machine is one of the only things that has bipartisan support.
   • sj_zero (sj_zero@social.fbxl.net)'s status on Monday, 18-Apr-2022 01:51:32 JST sj_zero

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     It's funny because to me, I had actually forgotten about the issue, but watching the Republicans close ranks and defend torture explicitly was one of those moments that I realized in 2009 that the Republicans were pure fucking evil. A lot of people forget some of the stuff that they did like that, and now that they've done some soul searching and found a different way to be people pretend that they were always like this, but no -- they had to take their licks and the leadership had to go into the desert for 40 years and apparently at some point someone had the bright idea of not being totally evil, and I think we're about to see that not being totally evil is a winning strategy.I'm actually really looking forward to the Democrats getting absolutely trounced for the next couple election cycles, so they can wander into the desert and maybe learn the same lesson.
   • Infected Moomin (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 18-Apr-2022 01:51:33 JST Infected Moomin

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     @sj_zero @thatguyoverthere many are, they are just very security state oriented while being left wing. America is a land of deep contradictions
   • sj_zero (sj_zero@social.fbxl.net)'s status on Monday, 18-Apr-2022 01:51:35 JST sj_zero

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     The American press is not patriotic per se, I think they just don't like competition from people that they disagree with. If assange was a red commie, they'd be giving him the Pulitzer prize.
   • thatguyoverthere ن (thatguyoverthere@charlestown.social)'s status on Monday, 18-Apr-2022 01:51:36 JST thatguyoverthere ن

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     @Moon I think though that if you genuinely believe the USA is basically good, you would want to have any rot exposed to keep it that way. We could be basically good but with subversive tendencies that need to be kept in check.
   • Infected Moomin (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 18-Apr-2022 01:51:36 JST Infected Moomin

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     @thatguyoverthere it's weird to think that journalists in the USA are in their own weird and stupid way very patriotic and they somehow hate WikiLeaks when it exposes the country torturing. Like, how do you get mad at the guy exposing the torture but not the torturers? I realize assange is not American but let's say he was, who is more patriotic here
   • Infected Moomin (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 18-Apr-2022 01:51:37 JST Infected Moomin

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     @thatguyoverthere some of these things come down to fundamental disagreements.if you think the USA is basically good and just then releasing a million diplomatic cables is bad. But if you think the USA is up to shenanigans (and it objectively is) then releasing those cables is exposing it which is good.
   • thatguyoverthere ن (thatguyoverthere@charlestown.social)'s status on Monday, 18-Apr-2022 01:51:39 JST thatguyoverthere ن

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     The only real threat posed by WikiLeaks is that it challenges the impunity of the powerful. In order to prevent this idea from spreading through the establishment of a second, third, or hundredth WikiLeaks, potential emulators must be intimidated worldwide. This is why the methodology of WikiLeaks is persecuted and punished in the person of Assange. The spotlight no longer illuminates the official misconduct revealed by WikiLeaks but is pointed exclusively at the messenger. He is declared a rapist, a hacker, a spy, and a narcissist who is trying to evade justice and is not entitled to the protections of press freedom.

   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Monday, 18-Apr-2022 02:05:58 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     @sub0 @thatguyoverthere @Moon @lelouchebag @sj_zero @yes guy was an "outsider", but of the "new money vs. old money" variety, where the only difference is a-couple-of-generations-worth complacencyeither way comes down to some money-having group or other paying to have their interests met; he was just better used to putting on shows to distract fromthe inspired now a bunch of copycat "stupid on purpose" small-time politicians thing is pretty scary, though XX
   • sub0 (sub0@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 18-Apr-2022 02:06:03 JST sub0

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     @thatguyoverthere @shmibs @Moon @lelouchebag @sj_zero @yes I was hoping he'd blow the place up but instead he's loosened all the fasteners and it's shaking itself apart.
   • thatguyoverthere ن (thatguyoverthere@charlestown.social)'s status on Monday, 18-Apr-2022 02:06:04 JST thatguyoverthere ن

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     • Lelouche ????
     @shmibs @Moon @lelouchebag @sj_zero @yes yeah am not one who thinks trump was a perfect president or anything. Before he was in office I thought he was just one of them. I just feel fairly confident that he essentially exposed and broke a system of giving the people a false sense of choice. 2020 was a course correction but I think they exposed even more of their hand.