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1. バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Monday, 16-May-2022 22:42:09 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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   • Infected Moomin
   @Moon from have seen, seems "permaculture" labelled stuff is basically all fake, and "sustainable farming" is the same thing but branded for not-so-hippiesto improve farming mess situation the biggest step possible would be stop-eating-animals, as their animal feed is where most crops go, and after that change everyone's eating habits, so don't have huge amounts food thrown away. mentioning either becomes taboo, though, so people invent magical thinking solutions insteadand yeh, used to be everyone's poop was precious, regulated resource to mitigate soil depletionlots of room for tech-changes too, butmaybe should go look for proper sources too, though, un; just not any directly to hand
   • Infected Moomin (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 16-May-2022 22:42:10 JST Infected Moomin

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     Some people say it wouldn't require higher yields because we already produce enough food, but for political reasons it doesn't get distributed equitably. I don't know if that would close the gap. Need to see studies.
   • Infected Moomin (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 16-May-2022 22:42:11 JST Infected Moomin
     Nearly every time I try to find information on if sustainable farming has enough yield to feed current population levels, I just find assertions that it does without any evidence. An argument against it I find compelling is it would have to exceed yield of industrial farming. Industrial farming takes enormous amounts of nitrogen which comes from natural gas production. Sustainable agriculture wouldn't use that so where would it come from.I don't know if there's a good counter-argument to this, I'm not an agriculture scientist. I just follow links.