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1. ????????みもりんか???????? (mimorinka@fedibird.com)'s status on Sunday, 22-May-2022 08:01:31 JST ????????みもりんか????????

   >>Two-Spirit

   wait what

   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Sunday, 22-May-2022 08:01:30 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     • Infected Moomin
     @Moon @mimorinka it's kinda recent invention generic term rather than anything with "history", and lots of controversy about. maybe bit less popular term than something like "latinx"
   • Infected Moomin (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 22-May-2022 08:01:31 JST Infected Moomin

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     @mimorinka it's a indigenous american term for having male and female spirit
   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Sunday, 22-May-2022 08:20:00 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     • Infected Moomin
     @Moon @mimorinka not really, no. there are lots of words and concepts in different nations that would today be things we'd call "lgbt", but they have assumptions/connotations/baggage that make them incompatible with each other and with modern ideas. so then basically some gay indians had a meeting where they were like "we want something that's generic and easy to use like 'gay', because all these traditional ideas are no good. but let's call it something else so it feels exclusively indian
   • Infected Moomin (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 22-May-2022 08:20:01 JST Infected Moomin

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     • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;
     @shmibs @mimorinka there are a bunch of tribes that have a analogous concept that has come and gone in prominence and acceptance.
   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Sunday, 22-May-2022 08:32:10 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     • Infected Moomin
     @Moon @mimorinka stuff that would be "lgbt" today did exist in lots of places that got stamped out by christian invasion. that's true of everywhere christian stuff went, though, originally-europe included. and it was mostly like hijra in actual india, "those weird people
   • Infected Moomin (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 22-May-2022 08:32:11 JST Infected Moomin

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     • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;
     @shmibs @mimorinka I know, they're busy fabricating a history for it as we speak. Including "we were common and accepted before white people erased us"
   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Sunday, 22-May-2022 08:43:35 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     • Infected Moomin
     @Moon @mimorinkaaccepted insofar as people mostly weren't just murdered or told to stop existing like in abrahamic settings. pushed into awkward fixed social roles that are uncomfy to think about today yeh, but that was kinda true of everyone, gay or not. fixed social roles were kinda necessary for small tribe stability
   • Infected Moomin (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 22-May-2022 08:43:36 JST Infected Moomin

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     • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;
     @shmibs @mimorinka like you mentioned before, some of the baggage they wanted to excise was being assigned tribal roles suitable only for outcasts. just meant that the idea that it was accepted before white people showed up isn't true.
   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Sunday, 22-May-2022 11:04:16 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     • Infected Moomin
     • Taylan Kammer
     @taylan @mimorinka @Moon dude, don't you have anything else at all to talk about besides trans-guy-erasing diatribe?
   • Taylan Kammer (taylan@pl.tkammer.de)'s status on Sunday, 22-May-2022 11:04:20 JST Taylan Kammer

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     • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;
     • Infected Moomin
     @Moon @mimorinka @shmibs There was an interesting article about this from some kind of expert in native American cultures...She wrote that identities like "two spirit" mostly existed in those cultures which had strict gender roles and thus couldn't accept a feminine man as an actual man.In less sexist native American cultures, no such identities existed, because feminine men were just feminine men.Sadly I haven't kept a link to the article. Wanna find it again.