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Jesus didn't condemn sinners but when he stopped a woman from being stoned for adultery he told her "go and sin no more".
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@Moon @xue
"do you love me? keep my commandments
"take up your cross and follow me
eye-of-the-needle, whosoever gives unto these, etc
his entire thing was "in order to be saved, you must perform good works
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@xue in this case it's more about combating the idea that jesus wasn't judgmental about sin since he hung around with sinners
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@Moon
idk about protestants, but thats like the thing during religion lessons was strongly emphasized, that you cant say the actions are bad, not the actor. That sounds a little nonsensical in modern world, bc you cant say Stalin was bad man, only that he did bad things.
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@xue @Moon
though john is different, being written later, and paul stuff goes off in some completely different direction, but the jesus message is fairly consistent:
- you must do good works
- you must want to do them, not for legalese purposes
don't look to bible for consistency, though; of course can justify whatever if you're choosing
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@shmibs @Moon nah, its more subtle
You are saved by his own sacrifice on cross
you cant save yourself as you are inherently broken, you dont hold to your own view on world
Accept that you are sinner and you need repentance
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@xue @Moon
it has no consistency on any given point. two incompatible creation stories, incompatible recountings of jesus' birth, god has a physical body that walks around in one place and not in another, "kill all your enemies" in one place, "turn your cheeks" in another, "gay is evil and should be killed", but it's also "completely normal and fine", we will all return to dust from whence we came, wander in she'ol forever, be taken up into heaven etc etc, and god is forgiving but you have to do good works, except all you have to do is believe, except if you don't pay the proper tithe then god will kill you just like that >:( , and we should all just enjoy life while we can, eating and drinking all our fill, because there's no hope in the face of god for puny mortals, except instead we should all live self-sacrificing and receive rewards after we're dead, and overindulging actually is a sin
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@shmibs @Moon
cant agree, on those points, also within its own axioms bible is fairly consistent, it doesnt have a something similar to 'satanic verses' of Islam
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@xue @Moon
maths aren't consistent either, of course. there's no platonic world, and everyone has an own separate copy. they do at least have the pretence of trying to keep in sync and building carefully, though, while a big collection of stories covering thousands of years of people making stuff up and then revising and rewriting and modifying in a thousand different, incompatible directions has only revisionist popular translators
read the thing through a dozen times and not really interested in spending more time on it now when haven't got much left, though; sorry bringing it up
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@shmibs @Moon
thats just like telling that math doesnt make sense, because depending on ring or field you can have different solutions for seemingly same input values. Going at it like that, its just like saying Trinity doesnt makes sense. Sure it does, but not in 'intuitive logic' which is just as arbitrary as any other.
If you could be a little more specific about exact parts of Bible you are referring to, of course if you have time and wanna put some effort i think we can walk through it, cant promise anything tho (the book says not to promise)
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@shmibs @Moon no worries, fuck you too.
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