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@toast I just mean that maleness shouldn't be the standard.
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@Moon @toast mmm, people differ lots along these lines, so ought to be awareness and acceptance of that, rather than pushing-into-boxeshas to do with, following the suffrage stuff, "women can act like men now" mentality, in terms of work, socialising, law, responsibilities, etc. but the same never happened the other way, so "men" get trapped in the "manly" bubble, enforced by law in addition to "social norms" etcthe most superficial sign of this is strict uniform-type places doing "skirts-or-pants" for the "women", "pants only" for the "men" (and, if there's a deviation here, it's always on the "women" side, "pants only" or so). more important, though, is the discrimination baked into law, dealing with legal definitions and prescriptions for parenting, abuse, etc, as well as the consistent difference in sentencing for the same crime, with lenience towards "women"/lack thereof to "non-women" being the biggest demographic split there is in such sentencing stuff ("non-women" includes women who don't fit the "womanly" role, butch gay etc. it's always in that one direction, though, with men who aren't especially "manly" often being pushed even further into the "non-women" category / treated more harshly)the same goes for workplace stuff. women get invited into "mens" spaces, but get expected to be "non-women" in business interactions and "women" when it's convenient for others working there, leading to this confused "whatever you do someone's annoyed" situation. and on the other side of it "non-women" in "womanly" roles are mostly denied access and treated as extremely suspect / fired at a pin-drop even if they manage to get in (think childcare or so)basically the "man" idea is still near as strong as in victorian times (encouraged as much by the "patriarchy" narrative as by "traditional masculinity"), but "woman" has eroded into double-standards all seen from the "man" perspective. as i see it, the only way to improve this is for the "man" idea to erode as well, at which point treating people on a by-case basis could actually happen. whether that's possible who knows but (obvs there are certain instinctual behaviours triggered by sexual dimorphism that can't just be turned off)
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@Moon I think treating people like a biological class makes little sense as a whole One guy friend of mine is much more sensitive than me, and yet another is a full on toughyI don't treat them the same, so why should I treat any one else like that?I think, generally speaking, when people talk about this subject they mean having the same privileges (e.g that of doubt in various occupations) and rights I'm not entirely convinced that's the best way to go either, though, but it's certainly an improvement over the current state of things
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Women deserve better than to be treated like men
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