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1. augustus pugin ? (augustus@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 27-Sep-2020 12:24:31 JST augustus pugin ?
   what do people still think about this coronavirus bullshit, i'm starting to give less and less of a fuck about it
   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Sunday, 27-Sep-2020 12:24:07 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     @mystik @hakui @augustus @coyote @rasterman hey, did you know? (many) viruses kill their host cells (that is to say, they're cytolytic). and your neurons (mostly) don't grow back (with some exceptions for memory/olfactory regions). and without a brain you stop being alive. and some viruses are good at bypassing the blood-brain barrier and making your brain cells explode, and that's called encephalitisyour body also has some other vital parts, like a heart and lungs, and viruses can attack those and mess them up with scarring until they don't function any more, and that makes you not-alive also
   • mystik (mystik@434.earth)'s status on Sunday, 27-Sep-2020 12:24:19 JST mystik

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     @hakui @coyote @augustus @rasterman Virus don't kill. You need comorbidities to die "of" a virus.
   • coyote (coyote@lain.sh)'s status on Sunday, 27-Sep-2020 12:24:20 JST coyote

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     @hakui @augustus @mystik @rasterman all viruses get weaker over a span of months? Just making sure I understand you
   • 御園はくい (hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info)'s status on Sunday, 27-Sep-2020 12:24:20 JST 御園はくい

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     @coyote @augustus @mystik @rasterman yes, the stronger ones don't get to spread as much because they keep killing their hosts
   • 御園はくい (hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info)'s status on Sunday, 27-Sep-2020 12:24:21 JST 御園はくい

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     @coyote @augustus @mystik @rasterman no, all viruses do that
   • 御園はくい (hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info)'s status on Sunday, 27-Sep-2020 12:24:22 JST 御園はくい

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     @rasterman @mystik @augustus it probably started out serious but mutated to be less lethal and more transmissive later onhence the early affected regions bearing the brunt of it
   • coyote (coyote@lain.sh)'s status on Sunday, 27-Sep-2020 12:24:22 JST coyote

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     @hakui @rasterman @augustus @mystik I've heard this is due to it being manufactured, the truth there I don't know but I've seen four people (scientists) come out and say it's a man made virus
   • Rasterman (rasterman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 27-Sep-2020 12:24:28 JST Rasterman

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     @mystik @augustus Thanks for the link. I'll have to watch it later.I guess the Brazilians must be making things up or misinterpreting how it works. They refer to anti-bodies, apparently: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.09.16.20194787v1I do wonder where the people convulsing and dropping dead in hospital corridors, that we saw come from China, are here.
   • mystik (mystik@434.earth)'s status on Sunday, 27-Sep-2020 12:24:29 JST mystik

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     @rasterman @augustus Immunity to what exactly? The corona virus has been known since the sixties. There is no immunity possible, or vaccine.Also there is no pandemic at all, because this "novel" variety of the virus has nothing "more new" than every other year. Nothing special with it. https://youtube.com/watch?v=8UvFhIFzaacThis is the aftermath. Talking about silly predictions now is silly, we already have hard numbers and facts. There has been NO pandemic. Game over.
   • Rasterman (rasterman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 27-Sep-2020 12:24:30 JST Rasterman

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     @augustus I think I've been lucky not to get it yet.I hear a city in Brazil has developed immunity; but I wasn't aware that was possible.In any case, I'm beginning to wonder if TPTB plan on making Super Quarantine World the new normal.
   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Sunday, 27-Sep-2020 12:34:03 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     @mystik @augustus @coyote @hakui @rasterman of what?
   • mystik (mystik@434.earth)'s status on Sunday, 27-Sep-2020 12:34:04 JST mystik

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     @shmibs @augustus @coyote @hakui @rasterman Can you give an example?
   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Sunday, 27-Sep-2020 13:54:31 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     @mystik @augustus @coyote @hakui @rasterman (connection asploded, sorryherpes simplex, like varicella zoster, spreads through budding rather than cytolysis. they exploit your not being able to replace neurons by sitting dormant inside them indefinitely and can (rarely) cause all sorts of weird stuff to happen. both can kill you, but neither are the best examples. hiv is a more certain route if you're looking to die, destroying your immune system. don't know how you'll respond to that, though, with the weird clinging to comorbidities.there's no such thing as an environment-less infection. being old or smoking or stressed/overactive sympathetic nervous system or just getting over a disease can weaken immune responses, sure, but so do hormone fluctuations, which are unavoidable in "healthy and young" people. testosterone, for example, is an immunosuppressant, one part of why men get sick more easily and women have more autoimmune diseases. another part is progesterone spiking during pregnancy, which also immunosuppresses the mother so her body doesn't reject the infant (after levels return to normal, the sudden spike can trigger autoimmune problems). the manner of exposure, location and initial viral load, also have huge-and-unpredictable effectsif you really want death-by-encephalitis with pretty much certain outcome, though, try rabies
   • mystik (mystik@434.earth)'s status on Sunday, 27-Sep-2020 13:54:33 JST mystik

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     @shmibs @augustus @coyote @hakui @rasterman You mentioned encephalitis, right? Well, this is an example of a "viral" disease that supposedly "kills": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herpesviral_encephalitisHowever it's not well understood. Because it magically selects 1 in 500,000 individuals per year, as a victim. And the disease is caused by a virus that a lot of people have, although "while the herpes virus can be spread, encephalitis itself is not infectious".????As you see, it's very hard not seeing virology as a bloody joke.
   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Sunday, 27-Sep-2020 14:00:42 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     @mystik @augustus @coyote @hakui @rasterman also:> only those with comorbidities die! so it's not killing anyone!> but sometimes those comorbidities are e.g. organ damage from a previous viral infection> but those didn't kill them either!
   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Sunday, 27-Sep-2020 14:04:38 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     @mystik @augustus @coyote @hakui @rasterman HIV
   • mystik (mystik@434.earth)'s status on Sunday, 27-Sep-2020 14:04:39 JST mystik

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     @shmibs @augustus @coyote @hakui @rasterman HIV? the supposed cause of AIDS? the greatest hoax of all times? yeah, nope. Not a good example.Rabies is a good example, although not generally human-to-human.Any human-to-human "deadly" viral infectious disease?
   • 御園はくい (hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info)'s status on Sunday, 27-Sep-2020 14:05:26 JST 御園はくい

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     @mystik @shmibs @augustus @coyote @rasterman communism
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   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Sunday, 27-Sep-2020 14:20:29 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     @mystik @hakui @augustus @coyote @rasterman here's something might be helpful https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLUl4u3cNGP63LmSVIVzy584-ZbjbJ-Y63
   • mystik (mystik@434.earth)'s status on Sunday, 27-Sep-2020 14:20:31 JST mystik

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     @hakui @augustus @coyote @rasterman @shmibs Evil spirits.It's as scientific as virology.
   • 御園はくい (hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info)'s status on Sunday, 27-Sep-2020 14:20:32 JST 御園はくい

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     @mystik @shmibs @augustus @coyote @rasterman personally i think there are several factors that determine if exposure actually causes an infection or not, like the strength of the immune system, resonant frequencies and whatnotthe virus itself is probably a physical component of it but it's the closest working model we haveunless you have another model that explains why people get sick when they come into contact with sick people
   • mystik (mystik@434.earth)'s status on Sunday, 27-Sep-2020 14:20:33 JST mystik

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     @shmibs @augustus @coyote @hakui @rasterman As I said before: nope.https://youtube.com/watch?v=tQCKb1JV-4A
   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Sunday, 27-Sep-2020 14:33:36 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     @mystik @hakui @augustus @coyote @rasterman you can't reject something without first understanding it
   • 御園はくい (hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info)'s status on Sunday, 27-Sep-2020 14:33:40 JST 御園はくい

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     @mystik @shmibs @augustus @coyote @rasterman sounds like you just have an unusual beef with virology without any replacement in mind
   • mystik (mystik@434.earth)'s status on Sunday, 27-Sep-2020 14:33:40 JST mystik

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     @hakui @augustus @coyote @rasterman @shmibs I don't like being lied to. Theories must remain theories. We must be honest to each other, otherwise... "global lockdowns" and massive hoaxes will keep happening.
   • mystik (mystik@434.earth)'s status on Sunday, 27-Sep-2020 14:33:42 JST mystik

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     @shmibs @augustus @coyote @hakui @rasterman I'll take that as an admission of defeat.Still waiting for good (real, not hoax) examples of "deadly" human-to-human viral infectious diseases (like rabies but human-to-human). Let me know if you find some (one at least.)
   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Sunday, 27-Sep-2020 14:50:00 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     @mystik @hakui @augustus @coyote @rasterman this book might be helpful http://library.lol/main/233433DBA935F6284B014354B6A3B7F8 (isbn-13: 978-1108486705)
   • mystik (mystik@434.earth)'s status on Sunday, 27-Sep-2020 14:50:01 JST mystik

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     @hakui @augustus @coyote @rasterman @shmibs > "unless you can make up a better lie, please believe mine"What about accepting what is true, and rejecting what is not?We know what we know, and we don't know what we don't know.
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     @mystik @augustus @coyote @rasterman @shmibs the theory is just a tool, whether people use that tool for what purpose is another matter that can be discussed separatelyso far we know what you're against (virology theory), but what are you for (that explains sickness and contagion)?
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     @mystik @augustus @coyote @rasterman @shmibs >i'm not going to use any approximations because they're not the truth>i'm not going to use 3.14 for calculating circle geometry because it's not pi>i'm not going to step out of my house because the sidewalk outside is not my destination
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   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Sunday, 27-Sep-2020 14:56:04 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     @hakui @augustus @coyote @mystik @rasterman it's a how-2 book specifically for replacing λcdm with a better model
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     @shmibs @mystik @augustus @coyote @rasterman tbf dark matter is pretty retarded and it's made up by a bunch of people who insist their model is going in the right directionit's like battler suggesting "small bombs" did his family in
   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Sunday, 27-Sep-2020 15:17:12 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     @mystik @hakui @augustus @coyote @rasterman theories are the means by which outcomes are predicted. you make use of them all day every day, or else you would not be able to make decisions at all. "if i wash my hands then i won't get sick" is a theory
   • mystik (mystik@434.earth)'s status on Sunday, 27-Sep-2020 15:17:13 JST mystik

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     @hakui @augustus @coyote @rasterman @shmibs > "... it's been observed that people..."That's a fact. Right? Real life. Not a theory. My decision will be based on that, not on a belief. Even if bacteriology was just beginning and wasn't well known as it is today.Facts are facts, theories are theories, approximations are approximations.
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     @mystik @augustus @coyote @rasterman @shmibs anyone can have theories, their merit is in whether they help inform decisions that give correlation to an intended outcomeif some guy tells you to wash your hands after pooping and before eating, you don't go full autist and say "NO BACTERIOLOGY IS FAKE AND GAY HOW DO YOU EVEN KNOW THESE 'BACTERIA' ARE GIVING ME FOOD POISONING", you wash your hands because it's been observed that people who wash their hands after pooping and before eating get less food poisoning than those that don'tit's like you're so hung up on raising your finger when being asked what zen is just because you saw your hero doing it. if you keep doing it you're going to have to lose that finger
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     @hakui @augustus @coyote @rasterman @shmibs

     Approximations are just that — approximations.

     Theories are just that — theories.

     Facts are the only thing that should be considered as facts.

     When it comes to human lives, we must not confuse these.

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     @mystik @augustus @coyote @rasterman @shmibs how about you say something you haven't said before in this threadi'd believe the electric universe theory fits observations more than dark matterwhat's your equivalent for virologyalso cosmic-level stuff doesn't really matter to us since we're not on that scale in either time or space so it's okay if "we don't know what we don't know", but biological processes is way more relevant and you can't really play that card here
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     @hakui @shmibs @augustus @coyote @rasterman virology is the dark matter of biology
   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Sunday, 27-Sep-2020 15:31:10 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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   • mystik (mystik@434.earth)'s status on Sunday, 27-Sep-2020 15:31:11 JST mystik

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     @shmibs @augustus @coyote @hakui @rasterman This is actually the best example to prove my point, Ignaz Semmelweis' life. He didn't have a "replacement theory". He had facts.
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     @shmibs @augustus @coyote @hakui @rasterman No, it's not a theory, and even before bacteriology it wasn't a theory (Ignaz Semmelweis). Hard fact, based on real life observations and not bullshit assumptions. =
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   • 御園はくい (hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info)'s status on Sunday, 27-Sep-2020 15:33:44 JST 御園はくい

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     @mystik @augustus @coyote @rasterman @shmibs he replaced humor theory, actually
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     @hakui @augustus @coyote @rasterman @shmibs

     Yeah, nope. Pasteur did it. With facts.