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@vriska I read an article once where scientists had a particularly smart gorilla that they taught to sign, and they asked it what happens when you die, and the ape actually had an introspective moment and was sad. Also it said you go into a hole and there's a tiger there.
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@Moon @xj9 @vriska @orekix eh, child-care is very instinctual behaviour. has to be doable for mice and crocodiles etc. more self-aware animals, like chimpanzees or elephants (or humans), actually have more difficulty mothering and need to have someone around as a role model to show how it works
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@Moon @xj9 @vriska when a kitty won't survive due to a bad birth or because it's sick the cat mom will proceed to eat it so it doesn't infect the others, they're pretty smart
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@orekix @vriska @xj9 the fact that animals take care of their babies, which is written off without thinking as "instinct" tells me they have deep awareness.
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@xj9 @vriska I think so too.
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@Moon @vriska i reckon animals are a lot more aware than we give them credit for.
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@Moon @orekix @vriska @xj9 danger of having brains that develop a lot post-birth, can't rely on instinct so much and need to learn stuff from seeing or trying it, so inexperienced young mothers can freak out and abandon their kids or accidentally kill them because don't know how to do things right.cats have got some degree of awareness-of-self, but they're a bit dumber than dogs or pigs and something like a different class entirely from the cetacean/elephant/great ape crowd that all does around half or more of its brain development post-birth (humans are 72%, elephants %65, dolphins 57.5%, chimpanzees 46%, cats are like ~10%)
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@shmibs @orekix @vriska @xj9 I'm aware that sometimes some animals are bad parents just like human parents.
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@Moon @xj9 @vriska @orekix meant more that, in absense of extreme trauma or something, animals need to be like humans in order to be bad parents. good parenting is sort of the default, and human-like brain development is a big compromise that can get in the way of it, in exchange for a culturally-stimulated intelligence payoff
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