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1. Coffee (coffee@toot.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 23-Sep-2021 01:20:39 JST Coffee

   Is there a site like https://joinmastodon.org, which can filter instances based on what server software and/or web interface they run?

   #LazyWeb #Mastodon #Pleroma #Search #Fediverse

   • のえる (noellabo@fedibird.com)'s status on Thursday, 23-Sep-2021 01:20:14 JST のえる

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     • Darius Kazemi
     • ˗ˏˋ wakest ˎˊ˗

     @liaizon @darius I'm still not sure if the Mastodon fork should give a name other than Mastodon in nodeinfo.

     It always follows Mastodon's main branch, because it's still Mastodon.

     However, let's call it Fedibird here according to the desire to distinguish.

     software: {name: “fedibird”,version: “0.1”},

     In addition, Fedibird adds the version of Fedibird to the user-agent string.

     > http.rb/4.4.1 (Mastodon/3.4.1 Fedibird/0.1; +https://fedibird.com/)

   • ˗ˏˋ wakest ˎˊ˗ (liaizon@social.wake.st)'s status on Thursday, 23-Sep-2021 01:20:20 JST ˗ˏˋ wakest ˎˊ˗

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     • Darius Kazemi
     • のえる

     @darius hey @noellabo how are you doing it with Fedibird?

   • Darius Kazemi (darius@friend.camp)'s status on Thursday, 23-Sep-2021 01:20:21 JST Darius Kazemi

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     • dansup
     • sexybiggetje
     • ˗ˏˋ wakest ˎˊ˗

     @liaizon @Coffee @dansup @sexybiggetje working on this right now -- weirdly, changing the string here from "mastodon" to "hometown" and restarting all processes isn't changing the rendered nodeinfo output

     https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/blob/main/app/serializers/nodeinfo/serializer.rb#L13

     Wondering if there is some kind of render step I'm missing... (rails is still mostly a mystery to me)

   • ˗ˏˋ wakest ˎˊ˗ (liaizon@social.wake.st)'s status on Thursday, 23-Sep-2021 01:20:24 JST ˗ˏˋ wakest ˎˊ˗

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     • dansup
     • Darius Kazemi
     • sexybiggetje

     @Coffee @dansup @sexybiggetje @darius is this something that would make sense to change? adding some identification that is easy to parse that makes it not lump hometown with vanilla mastodon?

   • Coffee (coffee@toot.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 23-Sep-2021 01:20:28 JST Coffee

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     • dansup
     • sexybiggetje

     @dansupHometown instances use a dual version string (hometown version)+(mastodon version), but I don't know if that is expressed in nodeinfo. I'll dig when I have some time.

     No "secret" endpoints you're hiding from me? ;)

     @sexybiggetje

   • dansup (dansup@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 23-Sep-2021 01:20:30 JST dansup

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     • sexybiggetje

     @sexybiggetje @Coffee The challenge with that is distinguishing forks from upstream. There is no uniform identifier (in nodeinfo for instance endpoints), some glitch instances have `+glitch` appended to version field but I can't find any hometown instances doing that.

     If you have any ideas, let me know! Working on some new api endpoints too btw :)

   • sexybiggetje (sexybiggetje@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 23-Sep-2021 01:20:35 JST sexybiggetje

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     • dansup

     @CoffeeMaybe @dansup can help out here a little bit

   • Coffee (coffee@toot.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 23-Sep-2021 01:20:36 JST Coffee

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     • sexybiggetje

     @sexybiggetje Well, still the closest thing to what I'm looking for so far. If only I could get at that juicy JSON they're teasing with... but that's embedded in the HTML content.

     Guess I'll just have to wait.

   • Coffee (coffee@toot.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 23-Sep-2021 01:20:37 JST Coffee

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     • sexybiggetje

     @sexybiggetje Welp, the only endpoint the API currently offers returns a list of all active instance's domain names only, no metadata at all. :/

   • sexybiggetje (sexybiggetje@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 23-Sep-2021 01:20:37 JST sexybiggetje

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     @CoffeeOh that's a bit sad ????

   • Coffee (coffee@toot.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 23-Sep-2021 01:20:38 JST Coffee

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     • sexybiggetje

     @sexybiggetjeThanks, that's pretty close!

     Too bad it lumps glitch-soc and Hometown instances in with Standard Mastodon.

     *looks at apis... maybe I could...*

   • sexybiggetje (sexybiggetje@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 23-Sep-2021 01:20:39 JST sexybiggetje

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     @CoffeeDoes fedidb's network list do it for you? https://fedidb.org/network

   • のえる (noellabo@fedibird.com)'s status on Thursday, 23-Sep-2021 01:32:22 JST のえる

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     • Darius Kazemi
     • ˗ˏˋ wakest ˎˊ˗

     @liaizon @darius The reason for adding the fork name to the user-agent is to give a hint to the server operator, so that access from the server calling itself fedibird can be blocked by nginx and traffic can be aggregated.

   • ˗ˏˋ wakest ˎˊ˗ (liaizon@social.wake.st)'s status on Thursday, 23-Sep-2021 01:32:23 JST ˗ˏˋ wakest ˎˊ˗

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     • Darius Kazemi
     • のえる

     @noellabo @darius (sorry for this basic question) how would one query the user agent string of a server. Or rather, how can I see what user agent is set if all I have is the domain of an instance?

   • のえる (noellabo@fedibird.com)'s status on Thursday, 23-Sep-2021 02:16:52 JST のえる

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     • Darius Kazemi
     • ˗ˏˋ wakest ˎˊ˗

     @liaizon @darius Now nodeinfo looks like this.https://fedibird.com/nodeinfo/2.0https://nightly.fedibird.com/nodeinfo/2.0

   • のえる (noellabo@fedibird.com)'s status on Thursday, 23-Sep-2021 09:31:42 JST のえる

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     • Darius Kazemi
     • ˗ˏˋ wakest ˎˊ˗

     @liaizon @darius Fedibird didn't choose that expression for several reasons. If you do, it may be "main+0.1", as it doesn't necessarily match the Mastodon tag release. If Mastodon has a tag release, the version of Fedibird will be updated at that time.

     You can get the Mastodon version from /api/v1/instance.

   • ˗ˏˋ wakest ˎˊ˗ (liaizon@social.wake.st)'s status on Thursday, 23-Sep-2021 09:31:44 JST ˗ˏˋ wakest ˎˊ˗

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     • Darius Kazemi
     • のえる

     @noellabo might make sense to do what @darius is doing and show the two version numbers together. So hometown has the version number listed as "3.4.0+1.0.5" so the 3.4.0 is the version of mastodon its basing off of and 1.0.5 is the version of hometown thats ontop

   • のえる (noellabo@fedibird.com)'s status on Saturday, 25-Sep-2021 09:56:07 JST のえる

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     • dansup
     • Darius Kazemi
     • sexybiggetje
     • ˗ˏˋ wakest ˎˊ˗

     @Coffee @liaizon @darius @dansup @sexybiggetje Fedilab is referencing software.name in nodeinfo and has encountered an issue where it is no longer recognized as Mastodon. We haven't seen any other clients that have the same problem yet. However, apps that support or will support multiple server types may experience this issue in the future.

   • Coffee (coffee@toot.cafe)'s status on Saturday, 25-Sep-2021 09:56:08 JST Coffee

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     • dansup
     • Darius Kazemi
     • sexybiggetje
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     • のえる

     @liaizon @darius @noellabo

     Wow, I love how fast things come together on the Fediverse! Thank you all for moving on this.

     @dansup @sexybiggetje

   • のえる (noellabo@fedibird.com)'s status on Saturday, 25-Sep-2021 10:08:40 JST のえる

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     • dansup
     • Darius Kazemi
     • sexybiggetje
     • ˗ˏˋ wakest ˎˊ˗

     @darius @Coffee @liaizon @dansup @sexybiggetje Fedilab checks with an exact match and does not seem to accept anything other than "mastodon".https://framagit.org/tom79/fedilab/-/blob/develop/app/src/main/java/app/fedilab/android/activities/LoginActivity.java#L264

   • Darius Kazemi (darius@friend.camp)'s status on Saturday, 25-Sep-2021 10:08:41 JST Darius Kazemi

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     • dansup
     • sexybiggetje
     • ˗ˏˋ wakest ˎˊ˗
     • のえる

     @noellabo @Coffee @liaizon @dansup @sexybiggetje this is why I chose "mastodon+hometown" so software could still find the substring and understand it's compatible

   • Darius Kazemi (darius@friend.camp)'s status on Saturday, 25-Sep-2021 18:33:51 JST Darius Kazemi

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     • dansup
     • sexybiggetje
     • ˗ˏˋ wakest ˎˊ˗
     • のえる

     @noellabo @Coffee @liaizon @dansup @sexybiggetje guess I'll make a PR...

   • のえる (noellabo@fedibird.com)'s status on Saturday, 25-Sep-2021 18:33:51 JST のえる

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     • dansup
     • Darius Kazemi
     • sexybiggetje
     • ˗ˏˋ wakest ˎˊ˗

     @darius @Coffee @liaizon @dansup @sexybiggetje In Fedibird, I decided to change the software.name of NodeInfo back to mastodon and instead add forks to metadata and write it there.

     This forks will be added to the array when Fedibird is further forked. It's a good idea for the client to trace to a name they already know to determine the type, and to recognize the software's unique name by the last name.

     When collecting statistics, it can be used as a category hierarchy.

   • のえる (noellabo@fedibird.com)'s status on Saturday, 25-Sep-2021 18:39:08 JST のえる

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     • dansup
     • Darius Kazemi
     • sexybiggetje
     • ˗ˏˋ wakest ˎˊ˗

     @darius @Coffee @liaizon @dansup @sexybiggetje While checking the NodeInfo specifications, I noticed that the character type that can be used for software.name is `^[a-z0-9-]+$`.

     It may be better to use `-` instead of `+`.

     https://github.com/jhass/nodeinfo/blob/6ddf720b49ed6016ce3ef6794ea475e77f8b33b9/schemas/2.0/schema.json#L35

   • のえる (noellabo@fedibird.com)'s status on Monday, 27-Sep-2021 12:03:05 JST のえる

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     • dansup
     • Darius Kazemi
     • sexybiggetje
     • ˗ˏˋ wakest ˎˊ˗
     • Fedilab Apps

     @Coffee @liaizon @darius @dansup @sexybiggetje @apps As you pointed out, only metadata can add free items in NodeInfo (2.0 or 2.1), and even if you allow free text in name, you will have problems similar to User-Agent. That is, you must list the names of compatible products.

     > Mozilla / 5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit / 537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome / 51.0.2704.103 Safari / 537.36

   • Coffee (coffee@toot.cafe)'s status on Monday, 27-Sep-2021 12:03:06 JST Coffee

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     • dansup
     • Darius Kazemi
     • sexybiggetje
     • ˗ˏˋ wakest ˎˊ˗
     • のえる
     • Fedilab Apps

     @noellabo Ouch. Looking into the nodeinfo protocol a bit, I don't think it's intended for this usage (yet), especially not after software.name was made free text.

     See discussions:https://github.com/jhass/nodeinfo/issues/15https://github.com/jhass/nodeinfo/pull/17

     Mastalab might have to find a different way to detect supported client APIs, and allow the user to manually override it.

     But it is what it is, and a workaround is needed until it can be dealt with in a cleaner way.

     @liaizon @darius @dansup @sexybiggetje

     cc @apps

   • のえる (noellabo@fedibird.com)'s status on Monday, 27-Sep-2021 12:03:50 JST のえる

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     • dansup
     • Darius Kazemi
     • sexybiggetje
     • ˗ˏˋ wakest ˎˊ˗
     • Fedilab Apps

     @Coffee @liaizon @darius @dansup @sexybiggetje @apps Here, I will focus on the name problem of fork, but I think that it is good to have a format that can be traced from the base product (major classification) to its derivation (middle classification) and its final form.

   • のえる (noellabo@fedibird.com)'s status on Monday, 27-Sep-2021 12:04:09 JST のえる

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     • dansup
     • Darius Kazemi
     • sexybiggetje
     • ˗ˏˋ wakest ˎˊ˗
     • Fedilab Apps

     @Coffee @liaizon @darius @dansup @sexybiggetje @apps In the method I did this time, for example, when I forked Glitch-soc, I proposed and implemented such an expression.

     software: { name: "mastodon"},metadata: { forks: { { name: "glitch-soc" }, { name: "my-fork" } }}

     If there is a better way, follow it.

   • のえる (noellabo@fedibird.com)'s status on Monday, 27-Sep-2021 12:04:34 JST のえる

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     • dansup
     • Darius Kazemi
     • sexybiggetje
     • ˗ˏˋ wakest ˎˊ˗
     • Fedilab Apps

     @Coffee @liaizon @darius @dansup @sexybiggetje @apps Pleroma outputs the implementation status of individual functions in detail, but Mastodon is starting to add data to /api/v1/instance. Fedibird lists valid features here (fedibird_capabilities). This is used by client apps such as Subway Tooter.https://fedibird.com/api/v1/instance