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1. Hyolobrika (hyolobrika@berserker.town)'s status on Sunday, 15-May-2022 10:24:06 JST Hyolobrika

   • Dmitri ☭⚛?
   • mjdxp :linuxmint: :xfce:

   @yogthos (@mjdxp boosted) The second point makes sense. However, it also makes sense that people should be free to do with their property what they wish.I guess that's why I am interested in left-wing market (and non-market) anarchism.

   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Sunday, 15-May-2022 10:24:02 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     • Infected Moomin
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     @Moon @Hyolobrika @mjdxp the only difference between "absence" and "presence" is diffusion, and that assuming "possible worlds" thinking
   • Infected Moomin (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 15-May-2022 10:24:05 JST Infected Moomin

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     @Hyolobrika @mjdxp absence of healthcare doesn't kill you, a disease kills you. sort of like how an absence of cops doesn't kill you, a killer kills you. by the above method anything can be argued as essential to life and subject to state control.
   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Sunday, 15-May-2022 11:43:30 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     • Infected Moomin
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     @Moon @Hyolobrika @mjdxp i mean "inaction is an action" and "lack is a world state", with the difference being in what phrasing the describer chooses
   • Infected Moomin (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 15-May-2022 11:43:32 JST Infected Moomin

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     @shmibs @Hyolobrika @mjdxp do you mean like philosophically or "the government we have now has the ability to provide x as an entitlement but chooses not to"?
   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Sunday, 15-May-2022 11:59:27 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     • mjdxp :linuxmint: :xfce:
     @Moon @Hyolobrika @mjdxp ah sorry, and that's relevant because, when discussing "social contracts", people will oftentimes assign positive and negative phrasing like that based on what they're personally comfortable with and expect to benefit from, then assert theirs is "only natural and self evident" and not a subjective distinction at all
   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Monday, 16-May-2022 00:01:06 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     @Hyolobrika @thatguyoverthere @Moon decentralisation = lack of information transfer
   • Hyolobrika (hyolobrika@berserker.town)'s status on Monday, 16-May-2022 00:01:07 JST Hyolobrika

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     @thatguyoverthere @Moon @shmibs Why would decentralised decision making result in more errors?

   • thatguyoverthere ن (thatguyoverthere@charlestown.social)'s status on Monday, 16-May-2022 00:01:09 JST thatguyoverthere ن

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     • Infected Moomin
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     @Moon @Hyolobrika @mjdxp @shmibs I have been thinking about this a lot as it seems nearly every time someone sets out to "fix" a problem they create 3 new ones. I am not sure people are great at calculating ancillary costs when developing a strategy. The bigger the solution the larger the potential problems that will emerge once executed. Less centralized problem solving might result in more errors, but the scale of those errors may be such that they are far less impactful.
   • Infected Moomin (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 16-May-2022 00:01:10 JST Infected Moomin

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     • mjdxp :linuxmint: :xfce:
     @shmibs @Hyolobrika @mjdxp true but we are dealing with two extremes lol I think the government should do almost nothing and op thinks it should do almost everything. Also I agree that inaction is an active state, that's like a basic thing you have to get in zen and understanding that has been useful. There is a tightrope because on one hand inaction reinforces the current system but on the other active opposition to a thing also paradoxically perpetuates the current system by accepting its frame. I suspect ideal way to "progress" is leave a lot of room for people to organize voluntarily and try stuff. Not always right but the right default.
   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Monday, 16-May-2022 00:08:34 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     @Hyolobrika @thatguyoverthere @Moon that's definitionaltake information from somewhere else means trusting that somewhere else means it has control over you (can feed false information
   • Hyolobrika (hyolobrika@berserker.town)'s status on Monday, 16-May-2022 00:08:35 JST Hyolobrika

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     • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;
     • Infected Moomin
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     @shmibs @thatguyoverthere @Moon I don't think so necessarily. It's possible to share information without sharing a boss.

   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Monday, 16-May-2022 00:26:45 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     @Moon @Hyolobrika @thatguyoverthere "centralisation" / "decentralisation" is matter of degrees in whatever system. still fundamental distinction is "trust information = vulnerable to data poisoning. don't trust = can't do anything"
   • Infected Moomin (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 16-May-2022 00:26:46 JST Infected Moomin

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     @thatguyoverthere @Hyolobrika @shmibs I want to be snarky and say that information doesn't really flow freely in centralized systems either (see: any workplace) and you can't trust info in a centralized system either (see: any workplace) but I have implemented large parts of bittorrent which is a distributed decentralized system and you find out really quick how hard it is to do anything when nobody trusts anybody
   • thatguyoverthere ن (thatguyoverthere@charlestown.social)'s status on Monday, 16-May-2022 00:26:47 JST thatguyoverthere ن

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     @shmibs @Hyolobrika @Moon yeah there is a trust issue, but it doesn't require you to outright reject the information without review.You could also argue that a highly centralized system is going to be optimized for specific information transfer to occur, but there could be information filtered out at certain levels which skews our ability to make accurate assessments.