Notices by izzy (syn@disqordia.space), page 2
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@chesapeake no, and i'm not personally religious, at least not in a conventional sense. but complex affective & non-concrete games of that sort are imo the most interesting & engaging thing humans can do and most of what makes life worth living when it is.
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@shmibs a obscena senhora d
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@shmibs @lain nube
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@shmibs @georgia @vriska hm? wdym? synthesis is bad at scale.
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@shmibs @georgia @vriska there's nothing wrong with synthesis & syncretism on a small scale. the problem is when it destroys entire worlds
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@shmibs @georgia @vriska yep. so in order to preserve heterogeneity you need to limit the things that are communicable in a given context :)
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@shmibs @georgia @vriska right, and these are both fairly inconsequential so far as i can tell and also fairly evident. all aspects of our ability to understand qualitative experience or even construct our own qualitative experience of "externally" perceived phenomena are similarly load-bearing assumptions when anything is externalized
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@shmibs @georgia @vriska yeah i mean the abandonment of the human form was very based. but again, not the same."to change them is to be a different person, and one person seems all that a person can be"be a person that is faceted & founded on subjective abstractions, opaque things as we all are but *knowingly* so, & set equivalences between those & the things of others, only to the extent necessarynagel asked "what is it like to be a bat?", we must also ask "what is it like to be another person?" & we cannot & should not pretend to know
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@shmibs @georgia @vriska no lol you're missing the pointthese are properties you're able to describe and question me about, and therefore you're missing the point. i'm not talking about the like, computation-rules of the substrate on which the existence rests, i'm not talking about those phenomena. i'm talking about qualia, & sort of definitionally we can't envision qualia founded on an alternate hierarchy of classification/sensitivity-network of triggers, however you want to reason about it. it's not just about lacking labels, it's about not having *any* degrees of freedom in the relevant knobs here. adjusting a physical constant? that's easy to understand conceptually even if its physical consequences in a highly stochastic system are unpredictable. what i'm talking about is adjusting the subjective nature of inhabiting a reality, incl. one that has the exact same materiality as the one we currently inhabit. this reality is actually fine on physical terms, any would be if it can support universal computation as you've noted :)
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@shmibs @georgia @vriska they're all flat materiality though. there's no mutual unintelligibility, because it's a novel written under our current flat-ontology assumptions that doesn't seek to challenge that.
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@shmibs @georgia @vriska oh we're talking about that cultureyeah still pretty boringmaterial freedom without ontological freedomunimaginative, but only in the way we all necessarily areto be fair "subliming" is a reasonable treatment of alternate modes, but the like physical transition of it, handwave to like spatial dimensions or something? idk. is not super contentful. but it's a good keep-the-unknowable-at-arms-length. banks seems to have understood his limitations
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@georgia @vriska :)))
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@georgia @vriska they'd hurt the way i did if they saw the way i did :bunthinking:
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@georgia @vriska i think youve misunderstood my position, though definitely understood that my motivation/obsession & the change i seek, believing that it is achievable by my hands is necessary for my self-perpetuation since its that obsession that ties me to the world & prevents me from taking the natural exit i desirebut... i want multiplicity, faceting & fragmentation of things, not order & the calculated, procedural, etc. i want all modes of existence, for each their own, to exist & co-exist and believe i can facilitate that in a way heretofore impossible i was sort of joking (sorta) in the post you replied to... but what i was referring to even partially in jest was more my direct frustration & disaffectation w/ the state of world as-is, smallness & ever-increasing smallness of our collective ontology, the pain of constant convergent mundicide that i express to others. i think if they were more aware of that & saw the possibility-space that declines in scope over time more viscerally they would be less comfortable...
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@georgia @vriska yeah you binned me with the techbros, basically lol. i am eternal enemy of Francis Bacon and his legacyand yeah globalization is a problem but like, i want to live in an interesting reality. i, personally, want to live in it. so i need the abiity to interact with mutually semi-unintelligible things in a minimally destructive fashion. i want industry w/out industrial society, and i want spectacle without simulacrum. or something like that
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@georgia @vriska i am looking for a world that is less culturally impoverished and i think people sort of inherently self-colonize if their communicative tools require them to sort of naturalistically and reflexively label equivalences & construct shared abstractions, they build a pseudo-syncretism that destroys novelty etc.yes, i am fucking bored beyond belief. this is basically just an extensively analyzed study in ennui, frustration w/ a world obsessed with taking the least interesting or stochastic or unpredictable approach in all possible situations. a world that takes the collective easiest way out and commits like multiverse suicide lmao.and yeah, GAI/singularity people are lazy. having a messiah is great. what do you want from your messiah? in your millenarian tradition what is the uplift, the rapture, how do things change? if it's just "it will be better for us by some utility function constructed by some entity far more powerful than we can envision", not only is that entirely uninteresting but it's also like the russels teapot of eschatologies lmao, it has literally no properties. it cannot be considered.do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law only you have no idea what you want. i mean that latter bit is something i'm well familiar with, but at least i can take actionable steps toward trying to protect new realities of others aligned w/ their desires from immediate destruction, reify those spaces & then inhabit the parts I can w/out shattering them.
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@chjara can i join you please
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