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1. Shebang! :blobpeektrans: (shebang@pleroma.freespeech.host)'s status on Friday, 07-Aug-2020 00:19:00 JST Shebang! :blobpeektrans:

   Ah, so the FSF elected an SJW as President.

   https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=FSF-President-2020

   So..

   “The FSF Board chose me at this moment as a servant leader to help the community focus on our shared dedication to protect and grow software that respects our freedoms. It is also important to protect and grow the diverse membership of the community. It is through our diversity of backgrounds and opinions that we have creativity, perspective, intellectual strength, and rigor…It requires renewed focus to achieve our goals. We must remember what unites us and why we came to free software in the first place. What inspired us in the past? What will keep us inspired, and what will inspire new generations of free software developers? We must be kind to each other and respect each other when our good faith arguments differ, in order to produce the best solutions together. I pledge to support honest dialog and emerging leaders in the quest to secure the future for free software for generations to come, and not to alter the tenets of the free software vision.”

   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Friday, 07-Aug-2020 00:18:39 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     • Haelwenn /ɛlwən/ ?
     • cool_boy_mew
     • tuxcrafting
     • qrsBRWN
     @qrsbrwn @coolboymew @lanodan @shebang @tuxcrafting have seen a lot more actual diversity in foss stuff than anywhere else, being honest here
   • qrsBRWN (qrsbrwn@totallylegit.site)'s status on Friday, 07-Aug-2020 00:18:51 JST qrsBRWN

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     • Haelwenn /ɛlwən/ ?
     • cool_boy_mew
     • tuxcrafting
     @coolboymew @lanodan @shebang @tuxcrafting why would autism even be part of this discussion?I have plenty of autistic traits. I also have a man-bun, barefoot sandals and an understanding of systemic injustice.I see no problems with diversity but I do see a general lack of it in the FOSS world. If someone doesn't see that as a problem I'm fine with that but when one starts seeing diversity as a threat I feel there might be room for some discussion. My general stance is that if my actions make someone feel unwelcome then I need to figure out how to make them feel welcome instead (because I very rarely want people to feel unwelcome). I of course agree that the strive for diversity can be done in good and bad ways, assuming that it will be done in a bad way seems rather premature in my book.
   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 07-Aug-2020 00:18:52 JST cool_boy_mew

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     • Haelwenn /ɛlwən/ ?
     • tuxcrafting
     @lanodan @shebang @tuxcrafting Well isn't Stallman a massive literal autist?I dunno, going on the complete other way doesn't seem like a good idea. Does these diversity initiative even works? All I see them attracting are the kind of people that want this kind of initiative in the first place and then they'll start shitting the place hardcoreI did check the Twitter feed as someone pointed out and ... it's not a good look
   • Haelwenn /ɛlwən/ ? (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Friday, 07-Aug-2020 00:18:54 JST Haelwenn /ɛlwən/ ?

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     • cool_boy_mew
     • tuxcrafting
     @coolboymew @shebang @tuxcrafting Well I get what you mean but a lot of people also left FSF or basically boycotted it because of how cis-sexist stallman is.I'd rather wait a bit to see where it goes.
   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 07-Aug-2020 00:18:55 JST cool_boy_mew

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     • Haelwenn /ɛlwən/ ?
     • tuxcrafting
     @lanodan @tuxcrafting @shebang I don't know what there is to not understand there. The only people who cares about people's color of skin, orientation, etc. are SJW. The main point of such organization is to try to increase membership, just simply membership. Like, who cares how much melanin the membership has, or how gay it is. Plus, to actually say something like this immediately after being chosen means it's a big virtue signal and is going to be the focusIf anyone here is a member or cares deeply about the organization, either fight this tooth and nail or jump ship immediately. The org is definitively going to waste a stupid amount of time in diversity initiative instead of actually doing it's supposed job. Worse case scenario, they'll start pushing for CoC, anti-free speech and the likes initiative. Either way, the organization is 100% going to fall into stupid crap it shouldn't do, thanks to intersectionality
   • Haelwenn /ɛlwən/ ? (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Friday, 07-Aug-2020 00:18:58 JST Haelwenn /ɛlwən/ ?

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     • tuxcrafting
     @tuxcrafting @shebang Well depends on the kind of diversity but there is sometimes this forced diversity thing and it never really works well for anyone.
   • tuxcrafting (tuxcrafting@fedi.absturztau.be)'s status on Friday, 07-Aug-2020 00:18:59 JST tuxcrafting

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     @shebang so because he says "diverse" he's instantly a SJW? mate what
   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Friday, 07-Aug-2020 00:31:04 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     • Haelwenn /ɛlwən/ ?
     • cool_boy_mew
     • tuxcrafting
     • qrsBRWN
     @qrsbrwn @coolboymew @lanodan @shebang @tuxcrafting hi; i'm not a young white menand don't see a problem, personally. some deterrence comes from the mostly-guys-and-high-percentage-of-autism yielding long, pointless internet argument threads like this one, but people like that need somewhere to be too, and the world of "mostly women and heavy reliance on intuition" is just as much a deterrence to them. if anything is wrong here it's two-sided, neither able to relate well to / communicate well with people differentgetting past that divide, though, the people involved in foss are generally far more tolerant of / willing to discuss different ideas than any other group i can think of, avoiding the taboo and shaming that causes monocultures (and suicide) everywhere elsealso, why would women in the military be a good thing? XX
   • qrsBRWN (qrsbrwn@totallylegit.site)'s status on Friday, 07-Aug-2020 00:31:05 JST qrsBRWN

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     • Haelwenn /ɛlwən/ ?
     • cool_boy_mew
     • tuxcrafting
     @coolboymew @lanodan @shebang @tuxcrafting the change to allow women in the military was a law change. The change to ACCEPT women in the military was not, that was a change in culture.If one were to look at who are generally involved in FOSS the problem is pretty glaring. If one were to talk to people in the community that aren't white young men then they could even tell you what the problem is.The lack of diversity is waste since we're missing out on a lot of talent.
   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 07-Aug-2020 00:31:06 JST cool_boy_mew

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     • Haelwenn /ɛlwən/ ?
     • tuxcrafting
     • qrsBRWN
     @qrsbrwn @lanodan @shebang @tuxcrafting There's a massive difference between simply starting to hire female employees where there were none before (Whether by law allowing it or societal changes) and outright modern circa 201X "diversity" initiativesYou are conflating the two, that is the problem. There is no issues with women, people of any race and orientating joining. I don't think anyone had any problems with it in the first place. The problem with diversity initiative and the people usually driving it, is that they're fetishizing it to an extremely unhealthy degree to a degree where it's important above everything else, to the point of driving away everyone who didn't come for that and the politics that usually comes with it are extremely unnecessary divisive and often very contrary to these organization goals
   • qrsBRWN (qrsbrwn@totallylegit.site)'s status on Friday, 07-Aug-2020 00:31:07 JST qrsBRWN

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     • Haelwenn /ɛlwən/ ?
     • cool_boy_mew
     • tuxcrafting
     @coolboymew @lanodan @shebang @tuxcrafting during my lifetime I have seen gender integration happen within many fields including news anchors, police, firefighters, military personnel etc.I then witnessed the sexual orientation integration that followed.The pattern is always the same "we can't focus on this particular issue because it will hurt our main mission".Is there cases when things have been done in a bad way? Yes.Did it end up destroying organisations? Very rarely.
   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 07-Aug-2020 00:31:08 JST cool_boy_mew

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     • Haelwenn /ɛlwən/ ?
     • tuxcrafting
     • qrsBRWN
     @qrsbrwn @lanodan @shebang @tuxcrafting I see diversity initiatives as a threat because it usually brings nothing goodWhen I'm talking about intersectionality, I am not kidding. These organizations usually ends up appointing zealots who ends up caring more about such initiatives than the supposed primary goals of the organization in the first place. This is annoying because it destroys the organization and ends up making it racist and sexist too in most cases. See James Damore and Google. I'll remind you that for his extremely milquetoast memo, the CEO came back home in an emergency to take care of the case... what?While Stallman had some wild ideas, I guarantee you that the organization would have a better focus with him at the helm than someone who's looking like a clear diversity zealot, you can see it in his Twitter, it is pretty much nothing but thatI a not kidding when I call these people zealots. The organization will become the diversity initiative and it will drive away everyone who actually cared for the primary goal and will bring nothing but people who cares about nothing but diversity initiatives
   • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;; (shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu)'s status on Friday, 07-Aug-2020 00:46:06 JST バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;

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     • Haelwenn /ɛlwən/ ?
     • cool_boy_mew
     • tuxcrafting
     • qrsBRWN
     @qrsbrwn @coolboymew @lanodan @shebang @tuxcrafting hmm, maybe sweden is different, yeh, but around here the military's job is to head to countries the motherland has fiscal interests in, kill uncooperative people (and their families and bystanders), and get drunk and rape random women. and the big change when women joined the military was that the men now get drunk and rape their woman colleagues first (kick them out if they complain) and save the local women for laterirrelevant side-conversation, though, this
   • qrsBRWN (qrsbrwn@totallylegit.site)'s status on Friday, 07-Aug-2020 00:46:07 JST qrsBRWN

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     • Haelwenn /ɛlwən/ ?
     • バツ子（痛いの痛いの飛んでけ;;
     • cool_boy_mew
     • tuxcrafting
     @shmibs @coolboymew @lanodan @shebang @tuxcrafting assuming you want the best for a given position then disqualifying roughly 50% because of an unrelated trait is a rather not smart move.Disclosure:I'm a former army sargeant from the swedish armed forces.